Problems with aeroforum.org?

krowerke · 6 October 2009, 09:17 AM

what a GREAT idea...
a whole new line of business for aeroforum;
the new eBay of classic aircraft goods and services;
there are centuries of unique hands-on experience out there like yours john,
literally spread across the globe, and everything from new replica compasses to new replica oberursels out there, but one must dig into the internet to find them. very able craftsmen have solved complex problems of construction on these complicated warbirds, but finding that guy is not easy, even in this forum. a part of aeroforum dedicated to buyers, sellers, barterers would get five thousand hits a day within the first month, betcha. and please do not let the liability issue and product liability trial lawyers kill this concept in utero. those issues can be handled, even internationally.
GREAT idea butch.
jon, you reading this?

Jon18 · 6 October 2009, 09:41 AM

I am, and I agree. Great job! These are the types of suggestions we need. I'll be bringing up this thread and the ideas you guys have come up with at our next teleconference.

I also want to add a feature to the WW1 Aero, Inc. website that acts as an article submission "hotline". That way if there are projects or topics out there you'd like to see us cover, you'll have a way to directly submit your ideas to us for consideration. What do you think?

Joe Perkel · 6 October 2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Jon18

I am, and I agree. Great job! These are the types of suggestions we need. I'll be bringing up this thread and the ideas you guys have come up with at our next teleconference.

I also want to add a feature to the WW1 Aero, Inc. website that acts as an article submission "hotline". That way if there are projects or topics out there you'd like to see us cover, you'll have a way to directly submit your ideas to us for consideration. What do you think?

I learned in the Navy that the "Captain of the ship, sets the tone."

Notice that we are a far flung and loose collection of specialized enthusiasts, quite forced by necessity to scratch around like hounds in the dirt for each tidbit. Perhaps WWI aero could stop focusing on being a publisher so much, and position itself to be the premier "driving force" of this very specialized niche market. Providing not only the MML but, also a centralized "One Stop Shop" as it were. For example, EAA tapped into and capitalized on a niche corner of the aviation industry.

Jon18 · 6 October 2009, 10:29 AM

Good point. We are working that way, but being part of that niche, I realize the value of these publications, and if there's a way to save them, we're going to make it happen.

*Update* The new issue of Skyways has been posted on our website ww1aeroinc.org as a free download for all. Enjoy!

krowerke · 6 October 2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon18

I also want to add a feature to the WW1 Aero, Inc. website that acts as an article submission "hotline". That way if there are projects or topics out there you'd like to see us cover, you'll have a way to directly submit your ideas to us for consideration. What do you think?

yes, yes, absolutely.

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Originally Posted by Joe Perkel

Notice that we are a far flung and loose collection of specialized enthusiasts, quite forced by necessity to scratch around like hounds in the dirt for each tidbit. Perhaps WWI aero could stop focusing on being a publisher so much, and position itself to be the premier "driving force" of this very specialized niche market. Providing not only the MML but, also a centralized "One Stop Shop" as it were. For example, EAA tapped into and capitalized on a niche corner of the aviation industry.

i agree wholeheartedly. a single location for builders to find parts, advice, encouragement, experienced wisdom, would be invaluable. it would also be irresistible to walter mittys like me. harness the power of the web-- it's immense and growing. we also have a responsibility, i believe, to preserve the history that's being made now by men carefully rediscovering archives long lost and building wonderful new machines designed a century ago.

herr mayrhofer no longer sells plans because he was being ripped off. what if he could be guaranteed a fair income for a one-time download to a builder's printer of prominently-watermarked plans? could aeroforum be the vehicle for a service like that, for an eBay-type fee?

what about registration-tracking of parts and accessories? no more disassembled oberursels wandering off anonymously if builders/owners registered pieces and parts, old and new, in a central registration system. that in itself has insurance ramifications.

Joe Perkel · 7 October 2009, 03:20 AM

As a result of the loss of 60k to a contractor, I have learned the lesson of controlling the money even if as in my case, I had a contractual obligation. The contract was purposely front loaded, and so even though legally obligated, I was in a position to get hurt. In hindsight, contract be damned follow my gut which was right on the mark.

Moral of the story as far as aircraft are concerned....

For a large purchase, ie aircraft or engine, either use a third party service, (A.O.P.A type organization), or take personal possession at final payment. In other words, I will drive to Kentucky or wherever to pick up my radial after having risked a minuscule deposit.

Thank you for sharing that John, most helpful.

hank jarrett · 8 October 2009, 11:49 AM

I don't know how many of us subscribed to both Skyways and WW-I Aero but the first of the electronic versions of Skyways is on the street and I did just what I said I would, printed and stapled it together. OK, so it isn't the fancy binding and the slick cover would require me to do a "Photo Print" but WHO CARES! It is just fine with me and staples don't bother me a bit. I haven't read it yet but a first scan makes me think the content is of the same type and quality we have had before.
I can live with this format till we get them back on their feet. Let's dig in and support the editors with articles, pictures and input to bring these great magazines and organizations back.
Now get us a copy of WW-I Aero!
Hank

I WOULD really like to see the web site back up soon. I miss my daily "fix" from all of my friends I have never met face to face.

sobrien · 8 October 2009, 03:34 PM

I did the same thing. I prefer the printed page, and if I want to look at higher resolution pictures, I've got the pdf file.

Sean

Dan_San_Abbott · 8 October 2009, 05:02 PM

Gentlemen:
I have been advised that the article onthe streaking camouflage of the Fok.E.V wings is not likely going to print in any future WW1 Aero. I will be withdrawing the article and submitting it to Over The Front. It is too bad Leo got out voted, I firmly believe WW1 Aero would be up to date and delivered, the Board just does not seem capable of getting done. I think the board should give it back to Leo, he has a track record of 50 years of getting put together by the editors, printed, published and mailed to the subscribers. I don't know if Leo even wants it back.
Gloomy skies,
Dan-San

greenknight · 8 October 2009, 07:57 PM

In response to Mr. Abbott's inquiry about the status of WWI Aero on another thread, I wrote him a PM. Because of our continuing publication problems I made an unsolicited offer to him that he might publish his fine work on the Fokker Parasol wing streaking in another venue of his choice if he wished to.

Under the circumstances of the publication delays, and the ongoing high level of interest in this topic I felt it only fair to Mr. Abbott and to Fokker E.V fans to offer him the opportunity to get his work out more quickly. This was solely my individual initiative, and again, was unsolicited.

I had the opportunity to review the article manuscript and the beautiful color plates that accompany it. Enthusiasts of German colors and markings are in for a delight.