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Old 20 October 2009, 11:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Wing fitting material?

It's been a while since I posted but I need a few opinions on material for fabricating wing fittings. The fittings are shown circled below:



And a CAD drawing of the fuselage fitting:



The wing ('male') fitting is a cone like shape that's welded to the sheet metal fitting shown in the first sketch with lightening holes.

The original calls for 'steel'. Any suggestions on the most suitable steel?

The fitting holds the lower wing on - I'm sure you can see why any twisting motion in the wing could cause the fitting to crack. The fitting will need to resist torsional loads and shearing loads and remain fairly rigid without being brittle.
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Old 21 October 2009, 03:49 AM   #2 (permalink)
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4130 steel perhaps?
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The original steel used in WWI was quite a bit softer than modern steels. Spec sheets I have seen from both Britain and Germany for the time show a requirement of 30,000 to 35,000 psi tensile strength. Most common steels at that time were in the 30 -45,000 psi range. This kind of explains the more complex fittings used then, trying to compensate for the strength of the base material.


Safe answer, use 4130 aircraft steel, 90,000 psi. But even the common modern 1018 Cold Rolled Steel is 50,000 - 55,000 psi.

Your drawing doesn't show the size, but finding 4130 round bar over 1.75 inch diameter is difficult. Easier to find 4140, which is as strong. Problem with 4140 is if it is welded, it can become very hard and brittle. Welded parts would need to be sent out and annealed back to their original state. Not a problem with 4130 or 1018.
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ulpilot - thanks for the figures, makes choosing a material a bit easier. Excuse my ignorance but why is 4130 the default aviation standard steel?
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ulpilot - thanks for the figures, makes choosing a material a bit easier. Excuse my ignorance but why is 4130 the default aviation standard steel?
I'm no authority, but 4130 has a excellent combination of characteristics. Ease of welding, and strength. If you look back to before 4130 came out, aircraft structures were more complex than after it was introduced. The increased strength of 4130 ( almost 3 times more) than the old steels allowed designers to simplify and build lighter structures.
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