Down-Under D.VIII

Langdon · 30 September 2006, 05:23 PM

Jumpinjan,

I should have qualified that remark, I meant in regard to high performance fighters. I did not mean this to be a critisism of Junkers as he was obviously on the right track, the all metal aircraft he pioneered was obviously the way of the future but it seems to me that engines were not advanced enough at that time to provide heavy aircraft with the performance required. Fokker adopted the technology and made it work when it was needed.

Langdon

Langdon · 30 September 2006, 05:34 PM

Very sad news concerning the death of Peter Grosz, the WWI avaition community owes him a lot for his contribution. His collection and his generousity have helped many in the past. I could not have researched the E.V wing without his efforts.

It is a sad day,
Langdon

Makhpiyaluta · 1 October 2006, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by acer

Willem,

do you have a date in the Netherlands, when was he naturalized? He is talking about the military, which naturalized him, but that's nonsens to my knowledge. They only could enlist him as a volunteer (Fokker in German uniform) but to be a German this was a civil act and he must denaturalize in the Netherlands.

I think you agree that we call Anthony Fokker a Dutch.

acer

Fokker denied having taken German citizenship of his own free will. Early in Januari 1919 the Dutch consul approached the Kriegsministirium and they were quick to declare that Fokker's naturalization had been achieved by coercion and that Germany would give up any claims on Fokker's citizenship if Fokker so desired. He married Teta von Morgen on March 25 1919 that very same day by voice of Minister of Justice Theodoor Heemskerk, the cabinet decided to waive the legal objections and instruckt that a passport be issued to Fokker.

Willem

JDK · 1 October 2006, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Makhpiyaluta

Fokker denied having taken German citizenship of his own free will.

[My underline]

And that's after W.W.I? In the words of a certain Miss Keeler, "Well, he would, wouldn't he?"

Fokker (the companies) have a list of achievements anyone would be proud to have - but I'd not take Anthony's word that the sky was blue, without a second opinion...

ManfredT · 1 October 2006, 05:15 AM

Willem-

with this marriage Anthony Fokker becomes a member of the Prussian military society. His father-in-law was the Prussian General Kurt von Morgen.

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Makhpiyaluta · 1 October 2006, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by acer

Willem-

with this marriage Anthony Fokker becomes a member of the Prussian military society. His father-in-law was the Prussian General Kurt von Morgen.

acer

Thats correct but you asked for a date. March 25 1919 he got a new Dutch passport.

Willem

Makhpiyaluta · 1 October 2006, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JDK

[My underline]

And that's after W.W.I? In the words of a certain Miss Keeler, "Well, he would, wouldn't he?"

Fokker (the companies) have a list of achievements anyone would be proud to have - but I'd not take Anthony's word that the sky was blue, without a second opinion...

Your right Tony Fokker was not a nice person, he was not a designer and he put his name on everything he could to make the public think it was his design or invention. The man was a buissnesman in all means. You probably know 'his' first design the Spider was designed and build by Jacob Goedecker and up to these days it's called the 'Fokker' Spider. In the twenthies and thirties he still fired allot of his employees just before Christmas so he would't have to pay them a bonus, and then after the newyear he would hire them again. And by the way he never smuggled the trains to Holland he paid the officials allot of money to look the other way.

Willem

CORVUS · 1 October 2006, 09:57 AM

Langdon,

Do you have any photos of the earlier construction of the wing ? Did you cut the ailerons out of the wing once it was buiilt ?

Are you sure it can't be done. Platz was a pretty resourceful and ingeneous fellow. Think about that aileron hinge pin. No ones figured it out yet and were in the next century. Who's building the undercarriage ?

Lou

Langdon · 1 October 2006, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Louis Lamboley

Langdon,

Do you have any photos of the earlier construction of the wing ? Did you cut the ailerons out of the wing once it was buiilt ?

Are you sure it can't be done. Platz was a pretty resourceful and ingeneous fellow. Think about that aileron hinge pin. No ones figured it out yet and were in the next century. Who's building the undercarriage ?

Lou

Yes they are shown earlier in this thread. I am sure you are joking about the ailerons being cut out of the finished wing and then reattached with piano hinges as Platz recalled; it was pure fantasy and my opinion is you can forget about him being the designer. Could it be done! Sure then you throw the wing away. Look at the photo in post 84 page 4 of this thread.

The hinges are no great secret, I'm sure our way of doing it cannot be far from the original, they probably did not have self aligning bearings but that was easier for us (and better) than making fixed ones. They cannot be that much different, as there were no access holes and the ailerons were not built in place.

I will do the undercarriage.

Langdon

Lyle · 9 November 2006, 01:26 PM

Hi Langdon,
I understand you have an original Oberursal for your replica, what spark plugs (should they be "sparking plugs") will you be using?

And how are things over in Vienna with your wing? Have you chosen the color scheme yet? I guess I might have remembered what your plans were if I read it elsewhere, but I just don't remember. Might be Anheiser Busch's Disease catching up here.

Sorry for the questions, just still highly interested in your project--

Lyle