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Old 10 January 2005, 08:05 PM   #1
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Question Shamrock insignia

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Were there any Central power pilots who used a shamrock or clover for their personal insignia? I'm thinking of painting an alter-ego machine of my own and don't want to step on the toes of history. Thanks a bunch.
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Old 11 January 2005, 07:55 AM   #2
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Yes, I've seen at least a couple photos of an Albatros D.III (Oef) of the Austro-Hungarian KuK Luftfahrtruppe that wore that insignia on the side of the fuselage. Peter Grosz' book on Austro-Hungarian Army Aircraft of WWI, 1914-18 I believe shows this particular aircraft.
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Old 11 January 2005, 02:50 PM   #3
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Smile Thanks Cigogne...

I looked in the big A-H Aircraft book by Peter Grosz and there weren't any pics like that. He does have a Windsock datafile on the DIII (oef) that might have the logos I'm looking for, but I don't have that resource yet. I'm just coming out of my modelling hibernation stage so I'm still on the ground when it comes to a lot of specifics. Thanks for your help, though. JD
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Imperial quatrifoils

Dear JDC,
in the book "Albatros D.II & D.III Oeffag" written by Mgr. Petr Aharon Tesar and published by JaPo there are two fighters with the quatrifoil insignia. One is 153.167 of Flik 2D, that has a quatrifoil on the right side and a red heart on the left one. The other is 153.199 of Flik 10F,which insigna was a light quatrifoil on a dark square painted on the sides of the fuselages.
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Old 11 January 2005, 06:11 PM   #5
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Post Thanks Duedicoppe...

Much thanks for the directional. Unfortunately JaPo isn't listing that book in their inventory, nor is Bib lio, Amazon, etc... If someone can clue me in as to where I can get a copy I'd be greatly appreciative. I have numerous other projects that would benefit from this resource. I'll keep trying. I'll check out Windsock and see what they have...All the best.
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Old 12 January 2005, 02:44 AM   #6
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As far as I know, in the "K.u.K. Luftfahrtruppen":
Hansa-Brandenburg D I 28.06 (FLIK 34. pilot unknown) had a black glover on both sides, Albatros D III 153.167 (FLIK 2 D, pilot unknown) hat a green shamrock on the right side (on the left side a red heart and the name “Claere”) and Albatros D III 153.246 (FLIK 3 J, pilot Stabsfeldwebel Otto Förster and/or Oberleutnant Miroslav Navratil) had an white shamrock in an black square on both sides. Albatros D III 153.199 (FLIK 10, pilot Feldwebel Georg Szeruda) was later transferred to FLIK 3 J, I´ve also seen a photo of an unidentified (crashed) plane of FLIK 3 J from summer 1918 with a light quatrifoil on dark background (no square).
Also a shamrock on dark background on the fuselage of Aviatik C 1 137.01 and Hansa-Brandenburg C 1 69.81 (FLIK 50 D, pilots and observer unknown)

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„Die Albatros (Oeffag) Jagdflugzeuge der K.u.K. Luftfahrtruppen“ / Peter Schiemer and
„Die Flugzeuge der K.u.K. Luftfahrtruppe und Seeflieger 1914 – 1918“ / Erwin Hauke, Walter Schroeder, Bernhard Tötschinger, both books printed in Austria.
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Old 27 January 2005, 07:22 AM   #7
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Just found : http://air.wz.cz/bird.htm with images of Albatros (Oeffag) DIII 153.167 and 153.199
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Old 27 January 2005, 07:28 AM   #8
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Photo links for the clover markings on Oef Alb D.III's

Links below should take you right to the photos called out by VH:

http://air.wz.cz/50-oeffag/albatros-d3-oef-153-167.jpg

http://air.wz.cz/50-oeffag/albatros-d3-oef-153-199.jpg
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Old 27 January 2005, 12:53 PM   #9
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Also, I just checked in the FMP "The Imp. Russian Air Service"...Henri Manchoulas with the Franco-Romanian Escadrilla No.3---Nieuport 11 "sported a green four-leafed clover on both sides of the fuselage for personal marking." Pg.386, Para.29. I also saw a build of I think a Salmson (I really can't remember) or Camel with a gaudy green and white paint jog=b with loads of shamrocks all over. Too many shamrocks for me...

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Old 28 January 2005, 01:41 PM   #10
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Here's my insignia for the fictional pilot "Seamus O'leary von Kranken-Schafft.
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