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Old 28 September 2005, 04:59 PM   #1
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Black September

Does anyone have the figures of air losses on the Western Front for September, 1918. If possible the allied losses seperated by nation.
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From "Bloody April... Black September" Franks, Guest, Bailey; Grub Street 1995
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RAF a/c lost 375
French a/c lost 100
USAS a/c lost 87

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Hi retread

If you read some earlier threads about "this" you will find some interesting information...

For example the German Army Air Force did shot down 788 e/a and 95 Balloons this month. 464 of these did fell within German hold lines...of the total of e/a were 652 e/a brought down in aerial combat...

It was rather rare during the War that the Germans did shot down a majority of e/a within their own lines on monthly basis...
Of the 464 e/a which fell within German hold lines were 307 British, 79 French, 38 Americans, 37 unknown nationality and 3 on the Macedonian front...

The German Army Air Force did reported the loss of 110 own a/c (which includes 3 on the Macedonian front). In this number is NOT walk away crashes due enemy action included.

Further on were 52 e/a brought down by the German Marine Air Force, which includes 13 by Marine Flak...I dont have the official loss of Marine Air Force a/c, but I estimate them to less then 10...

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Trevor Henshaw reported a total of 503 British losses:
- 36 ground fire
- 54 AA
- 314 air combat
- 99 other causes/unknown [this could fill the gap to shrewards 375]
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Not such a rare event from the point of view of the British flying services.

According to the breakdown in Henshaw's work, in the 52 months of war there were 32 months (62%) when British losses east of the lines exceeded 50% of the monthly casualty total.

The months when this occurred were:

September, October, December 1914;
February, March, July, August, September, December 1915;
January, February, March, September, October, November 1916;
April, June, July, August, September, October, November, December 1917;
January, March, May, June, July, August, September, October, November 1918.


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To all,
Thanks for the wealth of information. A grim month for the allied air services, particularly for the RAF. How they kept up their morale, or even flew at all with the losses they suffered has to be a study in itself.
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By this stage of the war, the RAF had large reserves of personnel and material so could make good losses fairly quickly - by 24 September it could still muster 1,000+ front-line aircraft.

It was the bomber squadrons, especially those of the Independent Force, that were particularly heavily hit with 56 DH4s, 91 DH9/9As and 14 Handley Pages being lost.

Morale seemed mostly OK except amongst those units detailed for ground strafing, circumstances where skill as a pilot was of little value.

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