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Old 12 February 2002, 09:42 AM   #1
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Hello folks!

I´m looking for photos of so called "penguins". In a movie I´ve seen scenes of a Blèriot without wings for the "first-training" of new pilots. I´m looking for such photos.

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Old 13 February 2002, 02:16 AM   #2
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Volker,

The CFS at Point Cook had a balance plane which was suspended on a pole and the student had to sit and balance as an introduction to flight. IIRC their Deperduissans were used as taxing only airframes as well. If you are interested in those.




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Old 14 February 2002, 06:10 AM   #3
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Are there photos of these "aircraft" existing?
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>Are there photos of these "aircraft" existing?

Yes, in several references. The Deperduissan you might have seen, the AWM has it now at their Treloar center.


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Old 15 February 2002, 12:15 PM   #5
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There penguins were quite common.

Also, several years ago in WWI Aero there were a series of photos from Peter Grosz of strange flight/gunnery training equipment. It was an AEG C.IV fuselage used for gunnery training. It was on a circular frame where it rotated around an access. It had extra elevators mounted on the rear fuselage, but NOT on a tailplane. It was controlled by the propeller slipstream and would rotate around and the extra fuselage elevators would raise the nose up and down to simulate the movement of the aircrat. Quite unusual, until it broke loose and fell down. Other Rumpler C.I types were used this way and mounted differently. Kind of like the later link trainers.

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Look in the rear section of the book on U.S. Air Force and Army Aircraft by F.G. (Gordon) Swanborough and Peter M. Bowers that Putnam (London) published around 1962. In that section is a photo of a ground trainer called a Breese Penguin.

Also, try an internet search using the phrase "Baby Bleriot."
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Volker,
A penguin may also have wings, but are "clipped" so that they cannot fly. They are used for taxiing training and to enabled the fledgling pilot to get the feel of a throttle.

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Volker,
What I meant by the last post is that you may see photos of aircraft that have shortened wing spans, and are unable to fly, but you may not be aware of it.

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Hello Steve!

Yes it was my fault! Without wings is not correct and I know that there were aircraft with "cut wings" used.

Peguins have wings too! *

I will think a bit more before posting a question in future. It will avoid misunderstandings.

Foreign languages you know ... *
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