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Old 3 October 2008, 05:50 PM   #1
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Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge # 478

For your brief consideration

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Scoreboard at the start of Challenge No. 478:

91.0 Varese2002 ¤
60.5 Dave_Kent ¤
51.9 Rbailey ¤
18.95 Cruze
17.5 YavorD
16.5 Froggy
13.3 Rod Filan
12.3 Aquilius
9.6 Flamingo
8.1 Breguet
7.7 Dan-San
7.7 EdStevens
7.6 trp81
7.4 JohnMacG
7.3 Patrick
7.1 Colin A. Owers
6.8 richard B
6.7 Ampovandak
6.1 joegertler
6.0 Eric Goedkoop
5.7 matte_kudasai
5.6 ercoupepilot
5.5 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
5.45 GregE
5.3 Crimso
5.3 Der Grüne Flieger
5.2 Doc
5.2 Gilles
5.1 bshatzer
5.0 Tom L
4.7 dpolglaze
4.4 Ross Moorhouse
4.3 edmondthieffry
4.0 greenknight
3.7 Berman
2.5 Gregoire
2.1 Crankcase
2.0 sobrien
2.0 Rickenbaron
1.7 Kilian
1.6 sergio_vitalio
1.3 Cigogne
1.2 Ransom E. Olds
1.0 airplane176
1.0 AROTH
1.0 austin08
1.0 Brad
1.0 Cliff
1.0 cubsfan4life
1.0 gregorydquist
1.0 Luf-Rick
1.0 Mike Westorp
1.0 paolomiana
1.0 Peter Zambori
1.0 rammjaeger
1.0 SL DIII
0.8 Machinbird
0.8 tbstreet
0.8 toxisch
0.6 Sreiko
0.5 Martin Irvine
0.4 Vilkata
0.3 Nieuport14
0.3 Miroslav Pokorny
0.3 albapfalzd3
0.2 Paul_J._Fisher

Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge Records: Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* --


The rules :

The thread title must be "Breguet's aircraft ID challenge #......"
The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning and end of each thread so that we know where we are.
All aircraft are of the 14-18 period (ie either designed, built or left the ground during this period but must have flown/left the ground at some stage ie before during or after the period).
The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
(always check the list at earlyaviator.com/br.challenge when in doubt !)
Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one
characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted.
The final arbitor in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet
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Old 4 October 2008, 02:03 AM   #2
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Well, it appears to have a Chauviere designed Integrale prop, identifiable by the almost straight line described by the trailing edges, which means that it is most probably French, English, or German (where Integrale companies existed) and possibly Italian, Austrian or Russian, (countries where Integrale props were sold by agencies). I hope this narrows it down a bit. Mind you, Integral props might well have been sold in other countries that I haven't identified yet.

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Old 4 October 2008, 05:50 AM   #3
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Hello

It's the Port Victoria P.V.5 (N53).

Seen from the front, the P.V.5 is caracteristic :
- the main floats and high-lift wings are braced together with struts appearing as a W.
- the engine cowl with an "octogonal looking"


This plane was a single-engine, single seat, twin float sesquiplan.
It first flew the 25 July 1917, lost float on landing and sunk.
After salvaged it flew again for several tests. It was damaged on 6 September 1917 and deleted on 15 Sept 1917.

Technical features
(3) :
Span : 9,75m (31ft 12in)
Length : 7,77m (25ft 6in)
Height : 2,97m (9ft 9in)
Wing area : 22,76 m2 (244,99 sq ft)
Engine : 150hp Hispano-Suiza 8A
Max speed : 151 km/h (94mph)

Manufacturer : RNAS Experimental construction Depot, Port Victoria, Isle of Grain

P.V.5 three view.

Laurent

Source :
1/ The British Fighter since 1912, Francis K. Mason, Putnam Ed
2/ Royal Navy Aircraft serials and Units 1911-1919, Ray Sturtivant and Gordon Page, Air Britain
3/ "Virtual Aircraft Museum" website
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Old 4 October 2008, 06:15 AM   #4
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This is the Port Victoria P.V.9 floatplane, which had an ultra-modern appearance for the time, owing to its most distinguishable feature, the wing struts going straight through in one line to the floats. The machine was not pursued with by the RNAS, although it was very advanced. It was bought because it had the serial N.55.

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Old 4 October 2008, 07:32 AM   #5
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Bonsoir

I think that Laurent is right with PV5

Port Victoria P.V.5 - fighter seaplane

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Old 4 October 2008, 07:55 AM   #6
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Quote:
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I think that Laurent is right with PV5

Port Victoria P.V.5 - fighter seaplane

Bruno
Looking into it, I cannot in all honestly see any great difference between the P.V.5 or the P.V.9. The only picture that I have of the P.V.9 shows the machine also on land somewhat from the back-side. Struts from the floats seem to be exactly the same.

Engines are different, Hispano-Suiza 150 hp (P.V.5) and Bently B.R.1 of 150 hp (P.V.9), but not visible on the P.V.9 picture.

On the picture of the P.V.9 is a large measuring instrument mounted in between the wings, but this might be (or is?) dismountable.

So, I am a little worried about the visible difference between the P.V.5 and the P.V.9 .

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Hi Kees,

The tops of the Hispano-Suiza cylinder banks of the P.V.5 can be seen in the challenge photo. If you go to the website linked by Bruno, there are three view drawings of the planes on there pages. The P.V.9 drawing shows a round opening at the front of the cowl, while the opening of the P.V.5 is octagonal as in the photo.

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Old 4 October 2008, 12:22 PM   #8
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This is the Port Victoria P. V. 5. They produced a number of very attractive machines.

Point & Challenge to Cruize.

Dave


Scoreboard at the end of Challenge No. 478:

91.0 Varese2002 ¤
60.5 Dave_Kent ¤
51.9 Rbailey ¤
19.95 Cruze
17.5 YavorD
16.5 Froggy
13.3 Rod Filan
12.3 Aquilius
9.6 Flamingo
8.1 Breguet
7.7 Dan-San
7.7 EdStevens
7.6 trp81
7.4 JohnMacG
7.3 Patrick
7.1 Colin A. Owers
6.8 richard B
6.7 Ampovandak
6.1 joegertler
6.0 Eric Goedkoop
5.7 matte_kudasai
5.6 ercoupepilot
5.5 FOKKERJ Feuchtwanger
5.45 GregE
5.3 Crimso
5.3 Der Grüne Flieger
5.2 Doc
5.2 Gilles
5.1 bshatzer
5.0 Tom L
4.7 dpolglaze
4.4 Ross Moorhouse
4.3 edmondthieffry
4.0 greenknight
3.7 Berman
2.5 Gregoire
2.1 Crankcase
2.0 sobrien
2.0 Rickenbaron
1.7 Kilian
1.6 sergio_vitalio
1.3 Cigogne
1.2 Ransom E. Olds
1.0 airplane176
1.0 AROTH
1.0 austin08
1.0 Brad
1.0 Cliff
1.0 cubsfan4life
1.0 gregorydquist
1.0 Luf-Rick
1.0 Mike Westorp
1.0 paolomiana
1.0 Peter Zambori
1.0 rammjaeger
1.0 SL DIII
0.8 Machinbird
0.8 tbstreet
0.8 toxisch
0.6 Sreiko
0.5 Martin Irvine
0.4 Vilkata
0.3 Nieuport14
0.3 Miroslav Pokorny
0.3 albapfalzd3
0.2 Paul_J._Fisher

Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge Records: Aeroplanes 1914 - 1918* -* Breguet's Aircraft Challenge* --

The rules :

The thread title must be "Breguet's aircraft ID challenge #......"
The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning and end of each thread so that we know where we are.
All aircraft are of the 14-18 period (ie either designed, built or left the ground during this period but must have flown/left the ground at some stage ie before during or after the period).
The photo must show the whole aircraft - from whatever angle, or at least 2 views of a 3 view drawing (photo by preference).
Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified
(always check the list at earlyaviator.com/br.challenge when in doubt !)
Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they become an ACE. Once they become an ACE they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one
characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of an aircraft for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the aircraft is submitted.
The final arbitor in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet
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