Breguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #313

[aerohydro]

Chosen as it reflects how I'm feeling: all at sea and somewhat out-of-kilter!

Scoreboard at the start of Challenge #313:

57.00 aerohydro ¤
55.50 Rbailey ¤
43.20 Varese2002 ¤
30.90 Aquilius ¤
21.00 Rod_Filan
16.40 richard B
8.50 Doc
8.00 Airarticles
8.00 Lodzermensch
7.70 ermeio
7.30 matte_kudasai
7.30 YavorD
6.30 AnYun
6.00 Cruze
6.00 Flamingo
5.00 sobrien
**************
(those above this section must wait 12 hours before answering,
those below - and everyone else - may answer immediately)
**************
4.35 Froggy
4.20 Wind In The Wires
3.30 berman
3.00 joegertler
3.00 sodium
1.00 Catfish
1.00 paolomiana
1.00 Tripehound Flyboy
1.00 ulpilot
0.20 EricGoedkoop

Previous challenges are here: Breguet's Pre-1914 Aircraft Challenge.

The rules are :

1. The thread title must be "Breguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #......".
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The flying object must have been dreamt up before 1914 (no limit backwards in time ....).
4. There are no limits to the flying object for the pre-1914 series. There is no ruling that it must be flown, or completely built.
5. Machines which exist only as 'paper', that is absolutely no material has been cut to construct it, are excluded from this ID Challenge.
6. The picture / drawing must show as much of the flying object as possible, but views showing the machine 'incomplete' are possible (with discretion).
7. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified.
8. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of a flying object for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the object is submitted.
9. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they belong to the ROYALTY. Once they belong to the ROYALTY they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
10. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
11. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
12. If a ROYALTY gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
13. The final arbitrator in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.

[Froggy]

Bonjour AeroHydro

the Papin-Rouilly helicopter was tested on 31 March 1915 on lake Cercey (your photo) and so not a pre-war aircraft
anyway he was already posted in Breguet ID challenge( I think)

Cordialement
Bruno

(ps:In France we share your sorrow for all victims of this terrible disaster
I hope all is Ok for you)

[Rod_Filan]

Yes Bruno, I too remember this odd craft as a 1914-18 challenge already -- IIRC posted by Kees. (*edit: challenge 731)

However, I don't think this disqualifies it from the pre-14 challenge ... IF ... if Paul can adhere to rule 3:

3. The flying object must have been dreamt up before 1914 (no limit backwards in time ....).

4. There are no limits to the flying object for the pre-1914 series. There is no ruling that it must be flown, or completely built.

That said, my advice to you (with under 5 points and no time restriction) would be to give one characteristic with which to cover rule #10 and then you'd have Challenge #313 -- the Gyroptère Modele B 'Chrysalide' (A. Papin & D. Rouilly designers) -- hedged.



Cheers

[Rbailey]

It was patented in 1911 and built in 1913-14 (Opdycke) so it would be legal.

[aerohydro]

Hello Bruno,

Thank you for the concern about the people of Christchurch.

Congratulations for correctly identifying this mystery machine. This is indeed the Papin & Rouilly "Gyroptere". Undeniably one of the weirdest flying machines ever to have left the drawing board.

I knew about the Gyroptere's actual test trials taking place well into WW1, which would - as you'd noted - seemingly exclude it from the Pre-1914 ID Challenge series. However, this was an intentional element of this particular Challenge. The craft was provably designed, and substantially built, before World War 1 commenced, so it does comply with the Pre-1914 ID Challenge rules. Talking of which ... Rule 10.

I hate Rule 10, and I want to share my resentment of it. Bruno, please describe one aspect of the design that helped you to identify the craft. Once you have posted that message, then you'll get one new shiny point. You will also then move into the exalted rarified world of being Royalty.

Cheers,
Paul

[Froggy]

Bonjour à tous

Sorry! I did not respect the rule 10 because I thought the challenge would not be valid
The main feature of this strange helicopter, rather Gyrocopter
is that it was powered by a single blade (the one we see right) blade, balanced by a counterweight that can be seen on the left
with 80 hp le rhone at the center-The pilot was in a nacelle
(which hopefully didn't turn with the blade )
The design was inspired by the maple seed with which we all played when we were little boys (long time ago..)


Papin & Rouilly "Gyroptere" helicopter - development history, photos, technical data

Cordialement
Bruno

[aerohydro]

Hello Bruno

Thanks for the posting. More importantly, congratulations on becoming ROYALTY!!

Apart from the link you supplied, for more details about the Gyroptere here are few links:

Google Books - "Popular Science" - September 1922

Modelstories - Gyroptere - contemporary photographs

Modelstories - Gyroptere - scale model

Breguet's Aircraft ID Challenge #731

Paul

[aerohydro]

Answer to this Challenge: the Papin & Rouilly "Gyroptere", tested in 1915

Scoreboard at the end of Challenge #313:

57.00 aerohydro ¤
55.50 Rbailey ¤
43.20 Varese2002 ¤
30.90 Aquilius ¤
21.00 Rod_Filan
16.40 richard B
8.50 Doc
8.00 Airarticles
8.00 Lodzermensch
7.70 ermeio
7.30 matte_kudasai
7.30 YavorD
6.30 AnYun
6.00 Cruze
6.00 Flamingo
5.35 Froggy
5.00 sobrien
**************
(those above this section must wait 12 hours before answering,
those below - and everyone else - may answer immediately)
**************
4.20 Wind In The Wires
3.30 berman
3.00 joegertler
3.00 sodium
1.00 Catfish
1.00 paolomiana
1.00 Tripehound Flyboy
1.00 ulpilot
0.20 EricGoedkoop

Challenge #314 to be conducted by Bruno!

Cheers,
Paul