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Pioneer Aviation Topics related to the aviators and aeroplanes prior to WWI

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Old 19 October 2011, 07:04 AM   #1
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Breguet's Pre 1914 ID Challenge #379

A distinctive machine.

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Previous challenges :

Breguet's Pre-1914 Aircraft Challenge


Scoreboard at the end of Challenge #378: OTTO Eindecker 1911 :

73.50 aerohydro ¤
72.30 Rbailey ¤
52.95 Varese2002 ¤
33.90 Aquilius ¤
27.90 Rod_Filan
24.15 richard B
9.00 Doc
8.00 Airarticles
8.00 Lodzermensch
8.00 Tork1945
7.70 ermeio
7.30 matte_kudasai
7.30 YavorD
6.30 AnYun
6.00 Cruze
6.00 Flamingo
5.00 sobrien
5.35 Froggy
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(those above this section must wait 12 hours before answering,
those below - and everyone else - may answer immediately)
**************
4.20 Wind In The Wires
3.30 berman
3.00 joegertler
3.00 sodium
1.00 Catfish
1.00 paolomiana
1.00 Tripehound Flyboy
0.20 EricGoedkoop

The rules are:

1. The thread title must be "Breguet's Pre-1914 ID Challenge #......".
2. The score board, link and rules must be copied to the beginning of each thread, so that we know where we are. The score board and the correct answer to the challenge must also be placed at end of each thread.
3. The flying object must have been dreamt up before 1914 (no limit backwards in time ....).
4. There are no limits to the flying object for the pre-1914 series. There is no ruling that it must be flown, or completely built.
5. Machines which exist only as 'paper', that is absolutely no material has been cut to construct it, are excluded from this ID Challenge.
6. The picture / drawing must show as much of the flying object as possible, but views showing the machine 'incomplete' are possible (with discretion).
7. Challenges which depict a machine already earlier presented are disqualified.
8. If there is any doubt as to the eligibility of a flying object for the challenge details should be PM'd to Breguet BEFORE the object is submitted.
9. Once someone has got 5 correct answers under their belt they belong to the ROYALTY. Once they belong to the ROYALTY they must wait 12hrs after the posting of the new challenge before they can post an answer.
10. To be eligible for correct ID an answer must include at least one characteristic of the aircraft that helped in its identification.
11. The first person to ID the challenge correctly gets to post the next challenge. If this can not be done for any reason Breguet himself will post the next challenge.
12. If a ROYALTY gives the correct answer too early, the challenge is over, he gets no point but has to post the next one. In lieu of the fact that the "novices" have in effect been "cheated" of their "exclusive" time that next post should be a relatively easy one. Anyone repeating the correct answer at the right time gets neither a point nor the right to post the next challenge.
13. The final arbitrator in relation to questions about the rules will be Breguet.
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Old 19 October 2011, 07:04 PM   #2
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This is the 1910 Jacobs Multi-plane, the creation of Henry William Jacobs of Atchison, Kansas.

Recognisable due to its generally 'oversized' design, and the fact that the two middle wings had a larger span than either the top-most or bottom-most wing.
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Old 19 October 2011, 07:04 PM   #3
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The Jacobs multiplane of 1910-12. Quadruplane main wings and tail, large wheels, distinctive nacelle.
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Old 20 October 2011, 05:04 AM   #4
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Mr. Aerohydro was first in and scores the point.

Correct identification

Jacobs Multiplane (around 1912)

Scoreboard at the end of Challenge #379:

74.50 aerohydro ¤
72.30 Rbailey ¤
52.95 Varese2002 ¤
33.90 Aquilius ¤
27.90 Rod_Filan
24.15 richard B
9.00 Doc
8.00 Airarticles
8.00 Lodzermensch
8.00 Tork1945
7.70 ermeio
7.30 matte_kudasai
7.30 YavorD
6.30 AnYun
6.00 Cruze
6.00 Flamingo
5.00 sobrien
5.35 Froggy
**************
(those above this section must wait 12 hours before answering,
those below - and everyone else - may answer immediately)
**************
4.20 Wind In The Wires
3.30 berman
3.00 joegertler
3.00 sodium
1.00 Catfish
1.00 paolomiana
1.00 Tripehound Flyboy
0.20 EricGoedkoop
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Old 20 October 2011, 09:59 PM   #5
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Hello Tork1945

Please tell us where this photo came from. Have you come across any articles, etc, concerning this monstrous multiplane?

Cheers,
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Old 21 October 2011, 10:29 PM   #6
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Please tell us where this photo came from. Have you come across any articles, etc, concerning this monstrous multiplane?
Well I would not qualify the machine as 'monstrous', this is possibly looking at this 1911-1912 machine with the eyes and knowledge of 2011.

The Jacobs Multiplane [also identified as the Jacobs-Emerson multiplane] was published in quite a lot of USA aviation magazines of the time (and the New York Times] as it was exposited on the New York Aero Exhibition 1912.

H.W.Jacobs had formed with others the firm Multiplane Limited in Kansas to build the machine and eventually sell it to the market.

The evidence for this market approach is in a brochure of 16 pages which has miraculously survived. It is sold for $750 at

The MULTIPLANE (Trade Mark).

Remarkable in the machine design is that each of the two propellers were driven by a separate engine.

You may also take information on the construction by the elaborate US Patent 1,245,724 Aeroplane filed on June 27, 1911 and patented on November 6, 1917 (!).

If you are in the market for more research on Jacobs and his Multiplane Corp, do have a look in the Airplane directory of the NASM

SIRIS - Smithsonian Institution Research Information System

The NASM references three separate objects:
  • Jacobs brothers Multiplane (1911)
    Jacobs brothers Multiplane (1910)
    Jacon brothers Multiplane quarter-scale Multiplane model

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Old 23 October 2011, 10:48 PM   #7
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Well I would not qualify the machine as 'monstrous' ...
I was meaning 'monstrous' as in 'oversized', which it certainly is. It's definitely one of the taller flying machines ever to feature in these Challenges.

Thank you for the various leads and links, etc. The information about the illustrated brochure is tantalising. At $750.00 it's beyond my means to buy it, much as I would love to peruse its pages. I need to win the lottery.

Cheers,
Paul

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