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Old 8 November 2022, 10:38 AM   #1
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Morane-Saulnier plane types and their top scorers

Good evening Gentlemen,

I wonder if it's possible to find out the top scorers of all Morane-Saulnier types that scored kills:
  • Morane-Saulnier Type G: Pyotr Nesterov & Alexander Kozakov, 1 kill each
  • Morane-Saulnier Type H: Vasili Yanchenko, 2 kills
  • Morane-Saulnier Type I: Ivan Smirnov, 2 kills
  • Morane-Saulnier Type L: Adolphe Pégoud, 5 kills (2 of these semi-official)
  • Morane-Saulnier Type LA: John Lynch, 3 or 4 kills
  • Morane-Saulnier Type LH: Roland Garros, 3 kills
  • Morane-Saulnier Type N: Eustace Grenfell, 5 kills
  • Morane-Saulnier Type V: ???
  • Morane-Saulnier AI: David Putnam, 1 (and 7 or 8 unconfirmed) or 0 kills ?
  • Morane-Saulnier BB: ???
  • Morane-Saulnier MS.406: Urho Sakari Lehtovaara, 15 kills
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Old 1 February 2023, 05:38 AM   #2
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Can anybody tell me a scorer of the rare Morane-Saulnier Types V or BB ?
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Old 24 April 2023, 09:44 AM   #3
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...or a British scorer in the Morane-Saulnier Type I ?
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Old 24 April 2023, 01:12 PM   #4
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Good evening, Michael

2nd Lieut Philip Solomon Joyce, No 60 Squadron claimed an AGO CII that crashed at Noreuil on 3 September 1916 while flying Morane-Saulnier Type I A198. As far as I can establish, he was the sole British scorer on the type.

Capt Hugh Christopher Tower, No 60 Squadron, was apparently the sole British scorer on the Morane-Saulnier Type V, claiming a Fokker D that crashed at Grévillers on 19 September 1916; he was flying A204.

Lieut Thomas Alfred Oliver & 130001 Sergt Robert Mumford, No 1 Squadron, were flying Morane-Saulnier Type BB 5170 on 3 July 1916 when they claimed an Albatros 'destroyed' over Houthulst Forest. I have not identified any other scorers on the type.

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Old 25 April 2023, 02:26 AM   #5
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Good morning Graeme,

that's interesting. Thank you.

I have two British Empire scorers in the Morane-Saulnier Type L, Reginald Warneford and Eustace Grenfell.
You have four, haven't you ?

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Old 25 April 2023, 04:41 AM   #6
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Hello Michael

The four for which I have details are:

05-Feb-1915 - 2nd Lieut Vivian Hugh Nicholas Wadham & Lieut Amyas Eden Borton, 3 Sqn, Morane-Saulnier L 1848 ?, Aviatik C forced to land

07-Jun-1915 - Flt Sub-Lieut Reginald Alexander John Warneford, 1N Wing, Morane-Saulnier L 3253, Zeppelin LZ37 in flames

13-Sep-1915 - Lieut Eustace Osborne Grenfell, 1 Sqn, Morane-Saulnier L 5056, Albatros C driven down

19-Dec-1915 - Capt Malcolm McBean Bell-Irving, 1 Sqn, Morane-Saulnier L 5069 ?, Two-seater destroyed

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Old 25 April 2023, 05:47 AM   #7
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Good afternoon Graeme,

thanks again.
Mr. Wadham seems to be a very important pilot in the early war:
https://www.medalsofengland.com/meda...9&medalid=2138

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Old 28 April 2023, 12:15 PM   #8
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Does anyone know if there were any victories using the Type P? I know many of MS Type P aircraft were set up for observation but I have read that at least some were set up as pursuit aircraft.
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Old 30 April 2023, 03:41 AM   #9
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Hello Jim,

the only Morane-Saulnier P pilot that I know is Ronald Hoskier of the Escadrille Lafayette. After a splendid fight he and his gunner Jean Dressy were killed in it on 23Apr1917.

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