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Old 9 October 2023, 11:37 PM   #1
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Bolle, Buckler, Könnecke, Thuy, Veltjens

Good morning Gentlemen,

first of all this thread is not about overclaiming but about different official scores. The 1919 issue of the journal Flugsport includes a list of the German WW1 aces:
https://www.pennula.de/luftfahrt-ges...19-heft-04.htm
Of the ten aces with 35-39 kills five are indicated with scores that are lower than the scores commonly seen today, including the scores in the profiles of the theaerodrome website:
  • Carl Bolle: 31 instead of 36. The kills in question seem to be his last five. I'm looking forward to the next BLUE MAX AIRMEN volume.
  • Julius Buckler: 35 instead of 36. He himself stated he had 35.
  • Otto Könnecke: 33 instead of 35. The kills in question seem to be his last two.
  • Emil Thuy: 32 instead of 35. His last three claims apparently did not go through the confirmation process.
  • Josef Veltjens: 34 instead of 35. I'm looking forward to the next BLUE MAX AIRMEN volume.
Any ideas or opinions?

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Old 2 January 2024, 01:55 AM   #2
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Can anybody tell me when Julius Buckler transitioned from the Albatros D.III to the Albatros D.V ?
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Old 4 January 2024, 11:14 PM   #3
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Maybe some of the victories weren't showing up at the time as they were 'not recorded/officialised" due to the last months debacle, but later confirmed and added?
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Old 6 January 2024, 03:21 AM   #4
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Good morning Pedro,

according to Greg VanWyngarden Julius Buckler himself stated he had 35. According to Lance Bronnenkant he claimed he had bagged another aircraft afterwards but that confirmations were impossible to come by in the war's closing weeks. That means that the claim that makes the difference is number 36 on 30Oct, correct ?

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Old 30 March 2024, 04:35 AM   #5
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In the latest BLUE MAX AIRMEN volume, which is highly recommendable to all, Carl Bolle's score is indicated as 36, the score of Josef Veltjens as 35. I'm looking forward to the next volume.
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Old 30 March 2024, 08:54 AM   #6
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Frohe Ostern Michael. I really need to update my library and get some back issues of this series.
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Old 6 April 2024, 07:39 AM   #7
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Hello Vince,

thank you. Belatedley, I wish a happy Easter and springtime to you, too.
Yes, a full set of the BLUE MAX AIRMEN series is a very worthwhile investment.

Today, we will visit an Erich von Däniken lecture, but you don't like him, do you?

Best greetings from beyond the ocean,

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LOL, I read his books BITD, and as a trained archaeologist, I can only roll my eyes at some of his conclusions. But I believe he spent some time in a psychiatric ward, or am I mistaken?
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Old 9 April 2024, 01:15 AM   #9
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Which of his books have you read?
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Old 9 April 2024, 08:57 AM   #10
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Chariots of the Gods? and one other which I can't recall the name of. I know that his list of published works is quite lengthy. He is a proponent of the idea that humanity is incapable of the feats of ancient engineering achieved without the intervention of aliens, something which is a baseless claim based on 'pseudo-archaeology'.
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