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Old 1 January 1999, 04:11 PM   #1
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Need some input from the experts. The revised victory lists posted got me to looking at the Austro Hungarian tallies, using Flying Machines Air Aces of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. I've been going through the lists attempting to get a more thorough view of what was achieved by the A-H aces.
What I would like to know - are my premises faulty? What changes should be made to the figures etc.
What I have done is - any forced to land behind enemy lines is excluded from the total unless the pilot is WIA or KIA. All shared victores are given decimal values. I.E. a victory shared among 3 pilots gets .33 not a full victory. I have also included in confirmed victories any that were confirmed but have no additional data. I.E. Sopwith fighter downed (no idea of where, in what condition etc) just giving the benefit of the doubt to the pilot.
Anyway, I make no claim for the below table being exhaustive history etc. I'm just starting this research and understand each claim bears further investigation. I just wanted to see if I'm comparing apples to apples with what has been done before.

Name/Listed Victories/Confirmed-Full/ 1/2 credit/1/3 credit/ 1/4 credit/Forced to Land/
New Count.
For example:
Heyrowsky 12/7/0/3/0/2/ 8.00 would be
12 claimes/ 7 confirmed full victories/ 0 - 1/2 credits/ 3 -1/3 credits/ 0- 1/4 credits/ 2 forced to land/ new total 8.00

So here goes:
Brumowski 35/12/8/8/0/7/ 18.67
Arigi 32/11/4/9/0/8/ 16.00
Fiala 28/23/4/0/0/1/ 25.00
Linke-Crawford 27/13/5/5/0/4/ 17.27
Kiss 19/7/4/7/0/1/ 11.33
Graser 18/12/5/0/1/0/ 14.75
Bonsch 16/8/5/1/1/1/ 11.08
Fejes 16/8/5/2/0/1/ 11.17
Strohschneider 15/3/8/1/2/1/ 7.83
Heyrowsky 12/7/0/3/0/2/ 8.00
Gruber 11/8/2/1/0/0/ 9.33
Rudorfer 11/9/2/0/0/0/ 10.00
Navratil 10/7/1/0/1/1/ 7.25
Stojsavljevic 10/10/0/0/0/0/ 10.00
Banfield 9/8/1/0/0/0/0/ 8.50
Jindra 9/7/0/0/0/2/ 7.00
Kenzian 9/2/1/3/1/2 3.75
Koszala 8/4/3/1/0/0/ 5.88
Kostrba 8/4/1/0/0/3/ 4.50
Tahy 8/1/3/3/0/1/ 3.50
Udvardy 8/3/4/0/1/0/ 5.25
Friedrich 7/6/1/0/0/0/ 6.50
Hautzmeyer 7/2/2/0/1/2/ 3.25
Jager 7/2/0/0/0/5/ 2.00
von Maier 7/1/0/5/0/1/ 2.67
Risztics 7/5/2/0/0/0/ 6.00
Dombrowski 6/3/0/0/0/3/ 3.00
Frint 6/1/0/0/0/5/ 1.00
Kasza 6/2/1/2/0/1/ 3.17
Nikitsch 6/4/0/0/0/2/ 4.00
Peter 6/3/1/1/0/1/ 3.88
Purer 6/4/1/1/0/0/ 4.83
Scmidt 6/5/0/0/0/1/ 5.00
Weber 6/4/0/0/0/2/ 4.00
Busa 5/3/0/0/0/2/ 3.00
Hefty 5/3/1/0/0/1/ 3.50
Kowalczk 5/2/1/1/0/1/ 2.83
Lahner 5/2/0/2/1/0/ 2.92
Lang 5/3/0/0/0/2/ 3.00
Lasi 5/3/2/0/0/0/ 4.00
Macourek 5/4/1/0/0/0/ 4.50
Nachod 5/0/0/0/0/5/ 0.00
Novak 5/1/0/0/0/4/ 1.00
Patzelt 5/1/1/1/0/2/ 1.88
Rodlauer 5/no listings/ 5.00
Szepessy-Sokoll 5/2/0/2/1/0/ 2.92
Teichmann 5/2/1/0/1/1/ 2.75
Urban 5/2/0/0/0/3/ 2.00
Wognar 5/4/0/0/0/1/ 4.00

Thanks for any feedback. I just wonder what your views are on revised numbers. This would seem to indicate that Fiala is the top A-H scorer over Brumowski and lower the number of A-H scorers of 5+ revised scorers to 23 ?
 
Old 1 January 1999, 05:46 PM   #2
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John: Odd you should ask! When I published Marty O'Connor's first edition for Champlin Museum Press, I computed the following "decimal equivalent scores" based on the WW II system which ignored all but a/c destroyed or captured. The following figures are only for service in fighters. Brumowski, of course, scored as a gunner, two-seat pilot, and fighter guy.

Fiala 23.00
Linke-Crawford 16.82
Arigi 14.93
Brumowski 14.81
Bonsch 10.75
Graser 10.75

In all, I count 16 "decimal aces" in fighters while Arigi also made 6.00 as a 2-seat guy. However, 5 others had 5 or more whole credits while flying 2-seaters. A complex subject!
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Old 8 January 1999, 03:52 AM   #3
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It is good to know that someone else has an interest in the Konigliche und Kaiserliche Luftfahrtruppen. I have found General Uzelac to have been quite interesting. He was an engineer and a licensed pilot. Most of the generals commanding WWI airforces were not either.

I have been to the Heeresgeschichtichesmusem in Vienna several times. I was surprised to find information only on Banfield. I was last there in 1995.
 
 

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