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Old 23 October 2000, 03:10 AM   #1
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So which Allied ace had the largest amount of kills (not just victories)?
Old 23 October 2000, 05:46 AM   #2
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No need to do it German style for this: Fonck

The French system was rather close to the German.
So you can, to a degree, compare the scores of German and French aces. Comparing either of them to the British is not feasable.

BTW: Imho there is not much point in these comparisons without consideration of all other relevant factors.


Old 23 October 2000, 08:39 AM   #3
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Mick Mannock VC according to Taffy,I don't think you'll get an argument on that score.
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Old 23 October 2000, 09:36 AM   #4
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Ya the french system was tighter than British. I think you needed observation from ground or balloons to get credit?

Old 23 October 2000, 11:52 AM   #5
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There is a section on This Very Site that does the number you're suggesting to British Empire aces.

But seriously - do you think this'll go anywhere besides where it's gone before - a long spiral down into character assassination and verbal thuggery? You and I have, I think, similar views on this subject. But I question whether it's worthwhile to go at it again. It is plain to those with an objective eye that the Brits overclaimed by a hilarious proportion, but any attempt to reconcile their victory scores to reflect actual a/c downed - which, as recorded, seem misleading when compared to German or French totals - is only going to tread the toes of those who hold these men as Heroes Beyond Reproach.


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Old 24 October 2000, 03:39 AM   #6
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Remember that the German scoring system is even more strict than that of the WW2 Allies, because those of the latter allowed partial victories (with fractions as scores), whereas in the German case a kill which could not be awarded to a single airmen was credited to the unit. So there's no 'punkt' there!
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This reminds me of a limerick:

In days of old,
When knights were bold,
And women weren't particular.
He'd stand her up,
Against a wall,
And do her perpendicular.

Is that German style?

Seriously, though, there was an issue of Flight Journal that applied a more modern scoring method (one that allows for shared kills) to WWI aces. The results were kinda surprising. I'll see if I can dig it up and post the results here in the next day or two.

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Old 24 October 2000, 04:33 AM   #8
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Drew your quite the poet these days...good one

Ummm I found Barrett's essay on victory scores and LO! Billy Bishop is still on top in the RFC!

*Locks rudder, spins Out Of Control*

Old 24 October 2000, 07:02 AM   #9
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What if we turn the question around? What would the 'British' score be of the German aces?
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They buried him so we must have got at least one Hun confirmed.
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doing, german, style

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