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Old 6 October 2000, 01:51 PM   #1
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this is from p.23 of 'albatros aces of world war 1':

...veterans rumey (fritz) and mai (josef) received two dv.a's that had been experimentally fitted with seimens 'motor' machine-guns capable of a cyclic rate of fire of 1400 rounds a minute. they were not allowed to fly over the lines in them, but it is known that some german pilots achieved victories with such guns.

does anyone have any info on this gun?
was it eventually used in front line jastas?
if not, why not?

Old 8 October 2000, 05:55 AM   #2
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Siemens were experimenting with a powered machine gun at the end of the war. That is a gun that does not require blowback or recoil to operate the
mechanism. It is unlikely that this went further than the test bench. I wonder if it has been confused with the Gast which had a rate of fire of between 1600/1800 rpm. This did see operational service before the end of the war.

Two problems with this theory, firstly the Gast was really an observers gun, secondly how do you synchronize for such a high rate of fire with the technology available in 1918. I also wonder why anyone would equip a DV with such a modern weapon even for test purposes. Surely a Fokker DVII or Pfalz DXIII would have been the test bed of choice?

The Gast was so secret that the allies did not discover it's existence until 1921, Gast actually asked for a US patent for the gun in 1920!

I wonder where the authors of the book got their information?

Old 8 October 2000, 07:33 AM   #3
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cant add anything re the German motor machine gun, but, on a related note, what is known about the use of rockets or large caliber ammo used by French pilots such as Fonck and Guynemer?
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There were 4 motor machine guns for aircraft in developement in Germany during WW1, they were:
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A pair of single barrel MG weighed 57 lbs and fired 1 round for each rev of the engine. The Siemens-Schuckert design fired one round for every two revs of the engine. A pair of Siemens weighed 103 lbs.
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Old 10 October 2000, 10:51 PM   #5
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Are you sure you're not thinking of the Spad XII (12), and its nose cannon mount?


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