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Old 13 January 2000, 05:03 AM   #1
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I've bought Above the Lines, Above the Trenches, and Above the War Fronts. I'm awaiting Over the Fronts which is due to arrive at my house in a week (on order from which will round out the series. One question though. Did Grub Street ignore the American aces altogether? They did gloss over a few Americans that flew with the Brits in Above the Trenches. What gives? If Grub Street did not include the American Aces in their wonderful series, does anybody know why? And more importantly, does anybody know a definitive source for information concerning American kill claims and biographies?
Old 13 January 2000, 06:52 AM   #2
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Over the Front contains both American and French aces of World War 1.

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Old 13 January 2000, 12:03 PM   #3
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Another excellent source of bio's etc is "New England Aviators" volumes 1 + 2. It is pricey (at least out here) and is (not surprisingly) limmited to New England pilots. It covers all pilots not just aces.


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Old 13 January 2000, 01:01 PM   #4
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Frank O is correct; OTF does cover both French and American Aces. Perhaps Mr. Olynyk is just being modest, but he has also written a book called "Stars & Bars", which covers ALL American Aces. It's a worthy addition to your Grub Street collection.

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'Over the front' is the Grub Street publication of French and American Aces. There are of course other lists out there. I noted in Zenith Books catalogue one that supposedly lists all US aviators (but I haven't seen it, yet)As far as completeness, I guess you should read the critical revues (Over the Front,Cross & Cockade magazines to name two sources.)Remember 'Above the Trenches' needed so many updates that they published a 'supplement' (you will want it). Maybe the others will need one too....
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Frank Olynyk is right: OTF does list all of the American aces, but if you want a complete victory list you ought to get the one Frank did of all our pilots in WWI. EOM01/12/2000.
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"Stars & Bars" is THE source of info on post-WW I American aces. The subtitle is "The American Fighter Ace 1920-1973." Since there are approximately 0.00 chances of adding another ace ("How do you spell that?") in the remaining 11.5 months of this century, it's safe to say that S&B will remain unaltered and unamended.
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Old 15 January 2000, 05:45 PM   #8
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I may be having a bad day. ATT had all the American aces we then knew off in it who served in the RNAS/RFC and RAF. We might, I can't remember have found one or two more in the updates. The updates were needed because further records were released in the PRO and some kind and knowledgeable people helped with info. Bill Bailey put the USAS and French Air Service aces in it. That covers all USA aces in WWI. My guess is by late 1918, some 15 per cent of the RAF was American, the published Schiffer book listing all American aviators did not even get close. Hopefully they too can do an update.
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