The Ace's Aircraft

[wingedwarrior]

Hello,

I am trying to categorize the specific aircraft that the German PLM aces are most associated with. For example, while Werner Voss flew a very well-known and colorful Albatros D.III, I believe that he is best remembered for his Fokker Dr.I (this goes for MvR as well). Because this is highly subjective and open to interpretation, I need to get as many other forumites opinions on the specific aircraft that these aces are best remember to have flown. My list is only a rough draft and can be modified as needed. I really do need the help of you guys, as my own opinions are not important enough! This is sort of an unoffical poll.

MVR - Fokker Dr.I 425/17
Udet - Fokker D.VII 'Du doch nicht!'
Löwenhardt - Fokker D.VII yellow fuselage
Voss - Fokker Dr.I 'Face'
Jacobs - Fokker Dr.I Black w/Devil's head
Rumey- ?
Berthold - Fokker D.VII red/blue with winged sword
Loerzer - Fokker D.VII black/white stripped (maybe 'star' Albatros D.V)
Bäumer - Fokker Dr.I with red/white/ black stripe
Boelcke - ?
Büchner - Fokker D.VII 'werewolf'
LVR - Fokker Dr.I with yellow fuselage (or possibly Heldmann's D.VII)
Menkchoff - Fokker D.VII 'M'
Gontermann - Fokker Dr.I 115/17
Bolle - Fokker D.VII with yellow/whte/black band
Buckler - Albatros D.V "Mopps"
Müller - Albatros D.V w/ comet
Dörr - ?
Könnecke - Albatros D.V with black/white squares
von Schleich - Albatros D.Va with black fuselage (or 'rampant lion' D.V)
Thuy- ?
Veltjens - Albatros D.V with winged arrow
Wolff - ?
Bongartz - ?
Kroll - ?
Osterkamp - Fokker D.VII with black/yellow stripes or Fokker E.V?
Bilik - Albatros D.V w/swastika
Sachsenberg - ?
Allmenröder - Albatros D.III with red fuselage
Degelow - ?
Mai - ?
Neckel - Fokker D.VII with candy cane stripes
Schäfer - ?
Bülow-Bothkamp - ?
Blume - ?
von Greim - Fokker Dr.I with silver fuselage/red bands
Laumann - Fokker D.VII 'AL'
von Röth - ?
Bernert - ?
Kirschstein - ?
Thom - ?
Tutschek - Fokker Dr. I with half black fuselage
Wüsthoff - Albatros D.III with black band
Boenigk - ?
von Dostler - ?
Beaulieu-Marconnay - Fokker D.VII '4D'
Pütter - ?
Böhme - ?
Göring - Fokker D.VII painted all white
Klein - ?
Windisch - Fokker D.VII 'stag'
Höhn - Pfalz D.III with zig-zag stripes
Frankl - ?
Kissenberth - Albatros D.V with black fuselage and edelweiss flower
von Althaus - Albatros D.V yellow fuselage with circles
Buddecke - ?
Christiansen - ?
Dossenbach - ?
Immelmann - Fokker E.III colors ?
Leffers - ?
v. Mulzer - ?
Parschau - ?
Walz - ?
Wintgens - ?


Did I forget anybody? (I only want scout pilots!). I know that some of these pilots are obscure when you compare them to the likes of Richthofen and Voss. I felt that to get a complete list, I had to include them. Any input will be greatly appreciated. Remember, if you have to do heavy research into what their aircraft looked like, then it probably isn't all that well known!

regards

[Volker_Nemsch]

Here are some:

Rumey: black/white striped Alb. D.V

Degelow: Pfalz D.III and Fok. D.VII with a white stag on black background

Sachsenberg: yellow/black checkerboard Fok. D.VII

I´ll try to find some more...
;)

[wingedwarrior]

I see what you are saying duckman. Maybe I am wrong to assume that his Fokker is better known. I am sure that my views are 'tainted' by the "yellow-black" debate on this forum. Keep the opinions coming.

regards

[VonHelton]

Boelcke - Silbergrau or grey, with green trim.

[TrueDogfighter]

In RB3D, Immelmann has a dark green Eindecker.

[wingedwarrior]

VonHelton: Do you happen to have a drawing of this machine showing the colors? I would like to know how the green trim was applied to the grey.

TrueDogfighter: How accurate do you believe these colors may be? While many of the paint schemes in RB3D are quite accurate, I found others to be totally incorrect. What's your opinion?

regards

[VonHelton]

Originally posted by wingedwarrior@Dec 25 2003, 02:11 AM
[b] VonHelton: Do you happen to have a drawing of this machine showing the colors? I would like to know how the green trim was applied to the grey.

TrueDogfighter: How accurate do you believe these colors may be? While many of the paint schemes in RB3D are quite accurate, I found others to be totally incorrect. What's your opinion?

regards
This is what I have:

[Gregvan]

Hi All,

Er, not to be nit-picky, but I have some serious doubts about the 'silbergrau or grey, with green trim" description for one of Boelcke's machines.

I presume the image is supposed to be Boelcke's Fokker D.III 352/16, w/n 784, in which Boelcke recorded several victories in early September 1916. The many photos show it was a very light clear-doped fabric overall, with the metal cowling panels given the distinctive Fokker 'riffled' finish. The crosses had no white outlines or backgrounds, being painted directly on the pale clear-doped fabric.

Boelcke also flew a Fokker E.IV, with the fuselage cross backed up by a broad white band which encircled the fuselage. At one point, the wheel covers seem to have been painted in a pattern divided into three equal pie-shaped segments, probably red-black-white. The serial was E.IV 12_/15; Pete Grosz thinks it may have been 122/15, formerly tested by Parschau.

Of course, Boelcke also flew Albatros D.II 386/16, which does not seem to have borne any special markings but did have leader's streamers trailing from the lower wings.

I know of no proof that Immelmann flew a dark green Eindecker, though I know it's a common legend. The question of camouflage on early Fokker Eindeckers has been discussed on this forum a great deal, and there may have been some greenish Eindeckers around. One of his early Fokkers had a diagonal black/white band on the aft fuselage.

Greg VanWyngarden

[wingedwarrior]

Hi VonHelton,

Thanks for the pic. I see that the colors of your example (from RB3d?) are different from his plane depicted in a painting done by artist Steve Anderson:

http://www.anderson-art.com/galleryframesrev.html

Are the colors for RB3d for an Albatros D.II? I am not sure how many D.II's were flown by Boelcke during his career. Maybe both are correct, as they were flown by Boelcke at different times during his career. Can anyone shed some light on this?

regards

[wingedwarrior]

Hi Greg,

You and I must have posted at the very same time! Thanks for your input. You helped to shed light on this topic. I appreciate the added info on Immelmann's Eindecker.

regards

[JimDrissell]

Originally posted by Gregvan@Dec 25 2003, 01:06 AM
[b] Boelcke also flew a Fokker E.IV, with the fuselage cross backed up by a broad white band which encircled the fuselage. At one point, the wheel covers seem to have been painted in a pattern divided into three equal pie-shaped segments, probably red-black-white. The serial was E.IV 12_/15; Pete Grosz thinks it may have been 122/15, formerly tested by Parschau.

Greg VanWyngarden
Greg,

When you say the broad white band encircled the fuselage, I take it to mean that the band was on the bottom, top, and sides? I didn't know that. I've only seen pictures with the angle showing the sides only, so thanks for the info. Can you tell me in what order the red, black, and white was applied to the wheels (start with one color and go in a clockwise motion).

Thanks, Jim

Merry Christmas to all!!!

[VonHelton]

Originally posted by wingedwarrior@Dec 25 2003, 03:14 AM
[b] Hi VonHelton,

Thanks for the pic. I see that the colors of your example (from RB3d?) are different from his plane depicted in a painting done by artist Steve Anderson:

http://www.anderson-art.com/galleryframesrev.html

Are the colors for RB3d for an Albatros D.II? I am not sure how many D.II's were flown by Boelcke during his career. Maybe both are correct, as they were flown by Boelcke at different times during his career. Can anyone shed some light on this?

regards
These skins were researched by people other than myself, so I assume they are correct.

Ja, the top is a Fokker D.III, the bottom is an Alb D.II

:)

[VonHelton]

Originally posted by Gregvan@Dec 25 2003, 03:06 AM
[b] Hi All,

Er, not to be nit-picky, but I have some serious doubts about the 'silbergrau or grey, with green trim" description for one of Boelcke's machines.

I presume the image is supposed to be Boelcke's Fokker D.III 352/16, w/n 784, in which Boelcke recorded several victories in early September 1916. The many photos show it was a very light clear-doped fabric overall, with the metal cowling panels given the distinctive Fokker 'riffled' finish. The crosses had no white outlines or backgrounds, being painted directly on the pale clear-doped fabric.

Boelcke also flew a Fokker E.IV, with the fuselage cross backed up by a broad white band which encircled the fuselage. At one point, the wheel covers seem to have been painted in a pattern divided into three equal pie-shaped segments, probably red-black-white. The serial was E.IV 12_/15; Pete Grosz thinks it may have been 122/15, formerly tested by Parschau.

Of course, Boelcke also flew Albatros D.II 386/16, which does not seem to have borne any special markings but did have leader's streamers trailing from the lower wings.

I know of no proof that Immelmann flew a dark green Eindecker, though I know it's a common legend. The question of camouflage on early Fokker Eindeckers has been discussed on this forum a great deal, and there may have been some greenish Eindeckers around. One of his early Fokkers had a diagonal black/white band on the aft fuselage.

Greg VanWyngarden
Making every aircraft the same color saves me alot of work............

.........But I chose not to do that.

:)