Eisernes Kreuz Sekunde Klasse am weißen Bande? [1914]

[Dario_Silva]

Friends. :)
Is it possible to confirm or to deny that the ribbon in this pilot's uniform is an "Eisernes Kreuz Sekunde Klasse am weißen Bande"? :blink:
Which the approximate translation would be to English? Iron Cross of Second Class with White Ribbon? :huh:
Please, comment in this respect of this badge and their differences or particularities with relationship to the normal EK2.
Some known image of the medal that corresponds to this ribbon exist?
Which merits needed for to be conferred?
Any comment in relation to the enclosed images I will be grateful.
Dario :D

[Dario_Silva]

Is it possible that it is this medal? :mellow:
Three grades of the medal were instituted, the Grosskreuz (Grand Cross) for senior commanders; and the 1 Klasse (1st Class), and 2 Klasse (2nd Class), for individual merit in combat. The size of the 1st and 2nd class awards was about 42mm, and examples range from 28-42mm. The 1st class medal had loops welded to the rear side, so it could be sewn to the tunic. The 2nd class medal was suspended by a ribbon ring attached to an eye welded to the top of the medal. The ribbon was black with two white edge stripes, the state colors of Prussia. A non-combatant version was also issued, it's ribbon was white with two black edge strips. The Grand Cross was a larger version of the award, about 62mm in size. It was worn at the neck and suspended by a wider version of the 2nd class ribbon. Little change would be made to these medals during the following 100 years.
This information here (http://www.worldwar1.com/sfgcross.htm)
¿Non-combatant?
Dario :huh:

[tamerlane]

It simply cannot be the white ribbon for the Iron Cross underneath the black ribbon. The white ribbon for the Iron Cross would have been awarded to non-combattants, such as medical personnel or priests. A pilot who earned the iron cross with the standard ribbon would be a combattant by definition, and therefore not eligible for a separate award with the white ribbon.

It is more likely either the Wurttemburg Bravery Medal/Military Merit Order (yellow ribbon with black stripes) or the Saxon Albert Order (white with dark green stripes).

Do you have any other information on the pilot's identity?

Tim

[Dario_Silva]

Friend Tim ^_^
Yes, the pilot of the image is perfectly identified, it is Ltn. Karl Meyer.
In this photo with Jasta 11.
Interesting his comments on those NOT eligible, to receive the Iron Cross White Ribbon. Very punctual and good in his intervention.
This pilot received during his military life, the following recognitions: (According to what I know)
Iron Cross 1st Class.
Iron Cross 2nd Class.
Hanseatic Cross, Hamburg version.
Cup of Honor.
Is it possible that this ribbon corresponds one of these recognitions?
Did he maybe receive one of the recognitions that you mention?
Any comment would be grateful.
Dario :)

[wingedwarrior]

Hi Dario,

Yes, the ribbon below the Iron Cross ribbon could very well be the Hanseatic Cross. Awards of lesser importance were worn on the bottom (the ICII would take precedence). Red and black would both look black in period photos.

regards,

Darren

[Dario_Silva]

Friend Darren. :)
Definitively, I believe, it is the Ribbon of the Hamburgisches Hanseatenkreuz that received for his performance in the oriental front before entering to the aviation.
Thank you for his comment, with it has clarified my initial doubt.
Thanks to all. :D
Dario

[wingedwarrior]

No problem Dario, glad I could assist you in your research!

regards,

Darren

[stogieman]

Saxon Albert Order is Green w. white stripes, Tim had them reversed
Saxon Merit Order is White with green strips.
Ribbon is most likely Hamburg Hanseatic Cross........ however, there are other possibilities. ;>)