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rammjaeger
27 November 2002, 08:09 AM
Is there anybody out there able to translate this German term?
Evil hunnish question. I know.
VBR
Rammjaeger
G._Jacobs
27 November 2002, 11:04 AM
Hello Hannes,
Yes I agree that there are many German words that are surely diabolical ! Your English-speaking cousins break those phrases into 2,3 (or more) separate words to help provide a clearer meaning.
If you can't figure it out, maybe I shouldn't try either...but here goes:
Auswanderungsmesser :P
Auswanderung=Emigration + Messer=Meter
Emigration Meter ???=a measurement of people who leave the country = emigration records
Without knowing the context in which the word was used, that's the best I can offer...I hope it helps!
Keep Your Engines Warm,
Gary
seppok
28 November 2002, 01:46 AM
Auswanderungsmesser was an instrument used by the anti aircraft artillery to determine the lead necessary, when shooting moving targets.
I don´t know the official term, but could be something like Deflection meter.
rammjaeger
29 November 2002, 05:08 AM
Hi Gary,
I was so evil and did not speak about the context! ;)
In fact I am needing the word for a Flak-related article. Seppo gave the correct description of the helpful device which I was meaning.
Deflection meter could be the right word to describe the device but I hope anybody can confirm that?
I guess I should scan a picture and illustrate my question.
VBR
Rammjaeger
rammjaeger
6 December 2002, 10:44 AM
Am. 17 mit Fernrohr, Höhenmesser, Seitenteilung und Teilkreis.
Am = Auswanderungsmesser
rammjaeger
6 December 2002, 10:57 AM
Auswanderungsmesser (Am.) Peres 16.
rammjaeger
6 December 2002, 11:09 AM
And now Hitech of 1918:
A "Flak-Kommandogerät Schönian 1918" - obviously more developed than the common "Auswanderungsmesser".
rammjaeger
6 December 2002, 11:11 AM
O.K. - what´s the correct term of the device(s) in English?
G._Jacobs
6 December 2002, 01:20 PM
Hello Hannes,
Obviously Seppo was on the right track with his translation!
Your illustrations are quite interesting...they were simple but I assume effective devices for the times.
As for the English translation, I would say "range-finder" describes it best.
Best Wishes,
Gary
Cigogne
6 December 2002, 02:17 PM
Would the device be to measure "deviation"? I don't know what the device would be called that would do that. I'll ask a contact of mine.
Cigogne
rammjaeger
7 December 2002, 06:46 AM
I did not find the word "deviation" in my translator but I guess it is correct. Here a little explanation for the "Auswanderungsmesser" but sorry, my English is too bad to explain the whole technical matter properly. As well the understanding of the whole matter is needing more than my technical knowledge in the field of artillery.
At first the German Flak was measuring with Entfernungsmesser (measuring the distance of the target, 1914) and with Höhenmesser (measuring the altitude of the target, 1915) but that is not enough to combat aircraft. You are needing to “lead” the target and therefore the Flak troops demanded devices to measure the “Auswanderung” of the target. It is necessary to find out the amount of “lead” forward, sideward and up/downward because the a/c is continuing to fly and changes position in the 3D space if the AA shell is flying. Next to distance, speed and direction of the target other input is required like: time of the necessary commands, delay of loading, flight time of the shell, influences of day time, weather etc.
In 1915/16 Zeiss Jena was developing the above mentioned “Auswanderungsmesser (Am.) Peres”. This device was able to measure a horizontal, straight line and contiuos moves of the target. The device combined Höhenmesser (altitude meter), Entfernungsmesser (distance meter) and a “ballistic stop watch”. Other systems were developed by Jakob, Schönian und Pschorr.
How did the Flak crews use the „Auswanderungsmesser“?
The Entfernungsmesser (distance meter?) measured the distance of the target and the Höhenmesser gave the altitude of the target. The used telescope – connected with the Am – had a net work of lines (English: grid?) inside. At first the enemy a/c was in the middle of the grid but was moving its position during the flight away from the center of the grid. That is called “Auswanderung” in German language. With the help of a special stop watch the Flak was able to find the out speed and changes in flight path of the target. Some scales with curves on the Am helped to find out the necessary “lead” and the required adjustment of the detonator of the shell.
VBR
Rammjaeger
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