Eduard Ritter Von Schleich

[Piotr]

Hello All.

I have question:
It is EDUARD RITTER VON SCHLEICH in Albatros D.V?

Piotr

[wingedwarrior]

Hi Piotr,

No, I don't think it is. Maybe Greg or Rick can help identify him.

Regards

[Bonehead]

Hello Piotr,

I don't think so. There is some resemblance, but the cheekbones seem too prominent. Also, where is his Blue Max? He certainly held it by this time. The chin strap on the hat and the lack of lace shoulder boards suggest an NCO while von Schleich was an officer. Note also, that this fellow's mouth turns up on his right, while von Schleich's turns up on the left. (Compare your pic to the pics on Darren's von Schleich website.)

But for me, the clincher is the ears. They are just wrong. Schleich's ears turned out at the very top. This fellow's do not. This one detail convinces me that this is not von Schleich. Sorry.

Cheers!!

Mike

[Taz]

Piotr- Cannot help on ID, but note this photo highlights the transparent panels installed to let light into the cockpit so the pilot could see the instruments. Not seen in too many photos.

Taz
Terry Phillips

[Piotr]

Hello Wingedwarrior,
I'm asking because I'm embarrassed, that pilot has (very) similar Rampant Lion emblem????
It is possible two pilots have same Rampant Lion emblem?
Piotr

[Piotr]

Thanks All for replay.

Here is whole photo...
I compare this photo with other Eduard Ritter Von Schleich's pictures and I don't
known...:(
Piotr

[Bonehead]

Piotr,

There is your answer! The "rampant lion" is not a lion at all! The insignia in your photo is a mythological creature known as a "griffon". It has the body of a lion and the head of an eagle. Notice the bird's beak, the "flaming" tongue and the squinting eagle eye.

By the way, interesting photo with a really great marking!

Regardless, I am convinced that the fellow in the photo is not von Schleich. I hope this helps.

Cheers!!

Mike Good

[wingedwarrior]

Hello Wingedwarrior,
I'm asking because I'm embarrassed, that pilot has (very) similar Rampant Lion emblem????
It is possible two pilots have same Rampant Lion emblem?
Piotr

Hi Piotr,

I agree with Mike on all accounts. I can see why you initially thought it was von Schleich, but some of the clues mentioned by Mike gives us the truth. One other point that struck me was the lack of a tubular gun sight on the Albatros - a prominent feature on all of von Schleich's Albatros D.Vs that we have documentation on.
Regards

[Rick]

Greg, any help? Could this be one of Jasta 19's mythological beasts? Rick

[Gregvan]

Hi All,

Beautiful photo, Piotr! Thanks for sharing. I agree that it's definitely not Schleich, but I don't know who it is. I'm pretty sure it's not a Jasta 19 airplane, either; that unit didn't start using the mythological beasties motif until much later, when they had Fokker D.VIIs.

The symbol might well be a griffon/griffin like Mike says - however griffons usually were portrayed with eagle wings.

Greg

[Piotr]

Thanks All for help,

I agree that is not rampart lion but it is griffin.
Maybe it is red Pommern/Pomorze Griffon's?

Deutsche Landeswappen - German Civic Heraldry-POMMERN (http://www.ngw.nl/int/dld/pommern.htm)

Provinz Pommern (Landeshauptstadt Stettin) (http://www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/provinz_pommern.htm)

On original photograph the beak is darkener and first version of the emblem is still visible.
Griffon previously was paint much wide... but no wings(?)

Greg - If you need this photo to next part of the Albatros Aces:D
just say I make you HR scan

Piotr

[Alien]

Hello All.

I have question:
It is EDUARD RITTER VON SCHLEICH in Albatros D.V?

Piotr

I looked at the picture and I can't see how you'd distinguish. from this picture, between an Albatros D V and an Albatros D Va. Can one of our more experienced comrades enlighten me, please.

Thanks.

[Piotr]

Alien,
It is simple - by aileron cables...;)
Piotr

[Taz]

Alien- A picture is worth a thousand words. On D.V aircraft, you can see triangular fairings or covers over the aileron control pulleys and cables. Here is a photo of Franz Schmid of Jasta 32 and his D.V that very clearly shows the covers.

Taz
Terry Phillips

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[Alien]

Alien- A picture is worth a thousand words. On D.V aircraft, you can see triangular fairings or covers over the aileron control pulleys and cables. Here is a photo of Franz Schmid of Jasta 32 and his D.V that very clearly shows the covers.

Taz
Terry Phillips


The fairings were the first thing I looked for, but I don't see them in Piotr's picture. Is it my vision?
Alien,
It is simple - by aileron cables...
Piotr
Where do I look for cables in this picture? Is it the low-res reproduction that's washing them out? Or, again, is it my vision failing?

[Taz]

Alien- No, it is not you. The photo is so low res, I cannot tell either. The trick to getting usable photos on the Forum is to very highly compress them as a jpeg while reducing the resolution (dpi) as little as possible. Jpeg quality 2 works well and then just reduce the dpi until you get below 50 kb.

Taz
Terry Phillips

[Piotr]

Alien,

Look at the first picture attached by me, the control cables are visible just behind the windshield. On Albatros D.Vs Control cables are there.
Albatros D.Va have control cables in different place.

Sorry I can't posting larger pictures here...:unsure:

Piotr

[Alien]

I see it now (barely). Thanks.

[StephenLawson]

Piotr- Cannot help on ID, but note this photo highlights the transparent panels installed to let light into the cockpit so the pilot could see the instruments. Not seen in too many photos.

Taz
Terry Phillips


Tell us more? It looks to me like the normal cut outs for the D.V-D.Va.

[Taz]

Stephen- Did not mean they were anything unusual. You are right, they are normal. They are just hard to see in most photographs. So are the ones on the Pfalz D.III/IIIa.

Taz
Terry Phillips