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Graeme
3 February 2018, 08:37 AM
SATURDAY, 2 FEBRUARY 1918

General Headquarters, February 3rd.

“On the 2nd inst. the weather was fine, though with some mist and haze. Several successful reconnaissances were carried out by our aeroplanes, and many hostile batteries were effectively engaged by our artillery with observation from the air. Nearly four tons of bombs were dropped by us during the day on various targets, including the railway station and sidings at Valenciennes. Several thousand rounds were fired at parties of the enemy in their trenches and in back areas. Five hostile machines were brought down in air fighting, and five others were driven down out of control. One of our aeroplanes is missing. On the night of the 2nd-3rd inst. the enemy's aerodromes and billets were bombed by our machines."

Admiralty, February 3rd.

“Naval aircraft bombed the Varssenaere aerodrome on the morning of February 2nd. A fire was observed as the result of a direct hit. An enemy machine engaged on a photographic reconnaissance was attacked and destroyed by our patrol machines. All our machines returned safely."

RFC Communiqué number 125:

The weather was fine but mist and ground haze prevailed.

Twelve reconnaissances were carried out - four by the 1st Brigade, and one, a long distance photographic reconnaissance of line Valenciennes – Busigny, when 31 plates were exposed, by 2nd-Lieuts Wright and Hobbs, No 25 Squadron (9th Wing).

1,224 photographs were taken, 285 25-lb and 12 112-lb bombs dropped and 13,285 rounds fired on ground targets as follows:-

1st Brigade: 226 photographs, 64 25-lb bombs on miscellaneous targets dropped by 1st Wing, and 4 25-lb bombs on Fournes dropped by No 43 Squadron. 4,600 rounds were fired.

2nd Brigade: 222 photographs were taken and 3,210 rounds fired. No 57 Squadron dropped 72 25-lb bombs on sidings at Roulers, and Corps Squadrons dropped 47 25-lb bombs.

3rd Brigade: 315 photographs were taken and 500 rounds fired. 12th Wing dropped 28 25-lb bombs.

5th Brigade: 390 photographs were taken and 4,955 rounds fired. No 8 Squadron dropped 34 25-lb bombs, No 35 Squadron 14 25-lb bombs, No 52 Squadron 8 25-lb bombs and No 48 Squadron 16 25-lb bombs.

9th Wing: No 25 Squadron dropped 12 112-lb bombs on Valenciennes and took 71 photographs.

Artillery co-operation: Lieut MacPherson and Lieut Hurr, No 35 Squadron, ranged No 21 Siege Battery, firing 270 rounds, destroying two pits and causing three explosions. In the middle of this shoot they were attacked by six E.A. triplanes and driven down to 1,000 feet. They also dropped four 25-lb bombs, fired 650 rounds on ground targets and brought back some useful information. This flight lasted from 11 a.m. to 3.20 p.m.

Enemy Aircraft:

Enemy aircraft activity was normal.

Capt K Shelton, No 54 Squadron, descended to an altitude of 50 feet, and fired on a balloon which was then on the ground. The balloon was seen to burst into flames. He then attacked troops which were in the vicinity of the balloon from the same height, causing considerable consternation.

Two machines of No 35 Squadron, whilst on photography, were attacked by five Fokker Triplanes. A patrol of No 54 Squadron and several more enemy scouts joined in. A general combat ensued as a result of which two Fokker Triplanes were driven down and forced to land.

Capt J M Child, No 84 Squadron, attacked a large two-seater D.F.W., and apparently hit the Observer, who disappeared into his cockpit. Owing to gun trouble Capt Child was unable to carry on the combat.

2nd Lt G S Stewart & Lt D D Richardson, 49 Sqn, Fokker DrI out of control

Lt G C Cuthbertson, 54 Sqn, Albatros Scout broke up Bellenglise at 10:40/11:40 - Lieut Cubhbertson, No 54 Squadron, attacked an Albatross Scout which was attacking a Sopwith Camel. The E.A. fell out of control, and then broke up in the air; Ltn Askan Frhr von und zu der Tann, Jasta 24s, Kia

Capt J T B McCudden, 56 Sqn, LVG CV captured east of Vélu at 10:40/11:40 - Capt McCudden, No 56 Squadron, attacked an L.V.G. at 100 yards' range. He fired a long burst from both guns, after which the E.A. went down vertically, then fell on to its back, and the E.A. gunner fell out. The machine finally crashed in our lines; Vfw Erich Szafranek (Kia) & Ltn Werner von Kuczkowski (Kia), BG 7/Bs 22 [G130]

Flt Cdr R J O Compston, 8N Sqn, two-seater crashed Douai - Ostricourt at 11:30/12:30
Flt Cdr R J O Compston, Flt Sub-Lt R L Johns, Flt Sub-Lt W F Crundall and Flt Sub-Lt H Day, 8N Sqn, Albatros Scout out of control Carvin at 12:15/13:15

Flight, Commander Compston, Naval Squadron No 8, attacked an Albatross Scout at point-blank range and shot it down completely out of control. He then attacked a two-seater and fired about 60 rounds very close range. The E.A. went down in a side-slipping dive absolutely out of control and was seen to crash

Flt Cdr M J G Day, 13N Sqn, Rumpler C broke up Oostkerke at 12:45/13:45

Sgt E A Gay & 2nd Lt A C Flavell, 57 Sqn, Albatros Scout out of control smoking Cortemarck at 13:00/14:00 - while on roving commission, Sergt Gay and 2nd-Lieut Flavell, No 57 Squadron, were attacked by five Albatross Scouts and one two-seater. The observer fired 200 rounds at 250 yards' range and one of the scouts was seen to fall enveloped in a large cloud of smoke

Lt G E H McElroy, 40 Sqn, two-seater out of control south-east of Habourdin at 13:30/14:30 - Lieut McElroy, No 40 Squadron, shot down one E.A. out of control

2nd Lt D H Jones, 41 Sqn, Albatros Scout out of control Auberchicourt at 14:30/15:30 - 2nd-Lieut Jones, No 41 Squadron, dived on one E.A. and fired a short burst from about 100 yards' range; he then zoomed up and got on to the E.A.'s tail, and when at about 20 yards got off a burst of 50 rounds, whereupon the E.A. side-slipped for a considerable distance and spun down. When last seen it was still spinning about 1,000 feet below

Capt R W Chappell, 41 Sqn, Albatros Scout crashed Erchin at 14:30/15:30 and Albatros Scout out of control Erchin at 14:30/15:30 - Capt Chappell, No 41 Squadron, fired about 60 rounds at very close range an Albatross Scout. The E.A. stalled, side-slipped and spun to earth, and finally crashed. Capt Chappell was immediately attacked by six E.A. Scouts. He put his machine into spin, and on coming out, observed one E.A. in front, of him and five still above. He attacked the single E.A., which did a long side-slip, and was last seen about 2,000 feet from the ground, still spinning and completely out of control

2nd Lt G S Stewart & Lt D D Richardson, 49 Sqn, Fokker DrI out of control east of Cambrai at 14:55/15:55 -

Capt F C Gorringe, 70 Sqn, two-seater crashed Becelaere at 15:45/16:45 - Capt. Gorringe, No 70 Squadron, attacked one of two E.A. two-seaters, and after firing about 100 rounds, the E.A. was last seen going down in a steep dive, and was later seen to crash (confirmed by anti-aircraft battery)

Capt V A H Robeson and 2nd Lt J W Muir, 46 Sqn, Fokker DrI out of control Flesquières at 16:00/17:00

Casualties:

Maj F J Powell MC (Pow), 41 Sqn, SE5a B8273 – took off 13:30/14:30 and last seen over Auberchicourt at 14:45/15:45 engaged in combat with 2 or 3 EA about 6,000 feet on DOP; Ltn d R Max Kühn, Js10, 3rd victory [Bouchain at 14:40/15:40]

Graeme

josquin
3 February 2018, 10:18 AM
Aircrew
25 Squadron
2/Lt Alfred John Wright & 2/Lt Reginald William Hobbs (South Wales Borderers 2/Lt & RAF)
35 Squadron
2/Lt W.G. Macpherson & Lt David Francis Hurr (Middlesex Regiment 2/Lt & RAF)

Josquin

MASTIFF
3 February 2018, 10:41 AM
Other Jasta claims this date:

OfStv Otto Esswein, Js26, Camel, St Julien, 1335hrs, 2nd victory.

Ltn Werner Steinhauser, Js11, RE8, Havrincourt Wood, 1720hrs, 3rd victory.

Vfw Erich Thomas, Js9, balloon, Mourmelon, 1750hrs, 3rd victory. French 57e Cie d'A.

Ltn Konrad Bieler, Js14, Breguet, Avacan, no time, 3rd victory. Esc Br.66, Adj Ragez & MdL Duffrene both MIA.

Ltn Gunther Keitsch, Js39, Camel, W St Veto, Italy, no time, first victory. B2607, 66 Sqn, Lt FDC Gore POW. TSTB Mk.1 shows this by pilot's name, but not in the daily listings.


Jasta losses:

Ltn Albert Kronig, Js3, killed in accident, 1750hrs, Thielt airfield.

Ltn Emil Thuy, Js28, injured in crash, back in action by 21 February.

JWC has Tann KIA on Albatros D.V 4757/17.


Tony

Graeme
4 February 2018, 12:39 AM
There were three R.E.8 'casualties', these being:

2nd-Lieut J J Hargan (Ok), 5 Sqn, RE8 B853, did a flat turn downwind and crashed on take-off during practice landings

Lieut E W Fletcher (Ok) & 1/AM W Williams (Ok), 7 Sqn, RE8 A3432, wrecked on landing on return from artillery observation

Lieut Marriott (Inj), 21 Sqn, RE8 A3780, crashed due engine failure on take-off for practice

None of them would appear to be a candidate for the Werner Steinhauser claim.

As for Camels, 2nd-Lieut G Russell (Inj), 54 Sqn, Camel B5436, force landed near Vermand due engine trouble after engagement with EA on wireless interrupting patrol. Vermand is near St Quentin and Esswein's claim was at St Julien, more than 100 Km to the north of St Quentin; I think we can safely rule out those as a match.

Graeme

josquin
4 February 2018, 02:13 AM
Lt Marriott, 21 Sqn RE8 crash, is Dennis Wynn Marriott (Machine Gun Corps
192065 Pte, RFC 2/Lt & RAF Lt); born 1898, Newmarket, Cambridgeshire
and survived the war--RE8 misadventures notwithstanding. His RAF officer's
service record at AIR 76 lists him incorrectly as "Dennis William Marriott."
Josquin

James A. Pratt III
8 February 2018, 07:11 PM
CGAS:
FAA 231 Ltn Hans Guther Molle (O) KIA Flanders (Oeren) & LtndR Hans Kohnke (O) (one could be a pilot) Lampernisse

FAA 235 Ltn Adolf Seifert WIA RFC or RNAS claim?

RNAS
Photo Recon by 2N DH 4s Zeebrugge selzaete, Bruges, Knocke
Bombing by 5N DH 4 varssenarre
EA FCdr 13 N "sighted an EA coming over the lines at about 18,000 feet. The pilot fired about 50 rounds, and the EA then got into a vertical dive, and one wing was observed to fall off. Machine finally crashed at lampernisse. On examination it was found to be a Rumpler two-seater photographic machine." This is most likely the crew of FAA 231 KIA.

R Gannon
28 April 2018, 04:05 PM
Capt K Shelton, No 54 Squadron, descended to an altitude of 50 feet, and fired on a balloon which was then on the ground. The balloon was seen to burst into flames. He then attacked troops which were in the vicinity of the balloon from the same height, causing considerable consternation.

This balloon claim Villers Outreaux at 1520.

Two machines of No 35 Squadron, whilst on photography, were attacked by five Fokker Triplanes. A patrol of No 54 Squadron and several more enemy scouts joined in. A general combat ensued as a result of which two Fokker Triplanes were driven down and forced to land.

Lt G C Cuthbertson, 54 Sqn, Albatros Scout broke up Bellenglise at 10:40/11:40 - Lieut Cubhbertson, No 54 Squadron, attacked an Albatross Scout which was attacking a Sopwith Camel. The E.A. fell out of control, and then broke up in the air; Ltn Askan Frhr von und zu der Tann, Jasta 24s, Kia

Suspect both are interrelated. No doubt Lt Cuthbertson accounted for Js 24’s Ltn von der Tann. The Js 24 KTB would have it that a 4 strong Kette led by Ltn Kroll dived on 7-8 Sopwiths (35 Sqn & 54 Sqn [fighting 5 Triplanes]?). Ltn von der Tann was on the tail of a Camel (2Lt G Russell?) when attacked and shot down by a second Camel (Cuthbertson). As noted by Graeme, the engine of 2Lt Russell’s B3456 hit in the combat and he was injured trying to affect an FTL British side at Vermand. Intriguing is the note of two Triplanes seen FTL. These would have to be Js 11 and one might wonder if this relates to incident involving Ltn J Wolff who FTL near Villers Outreaux when the top wing of DR1 155/17 collapsed. This is dated to 3 Feb, but records of both sides occasionally misdate things by 24hrs.

Capt J T B McCudden, 56 Sqn, LVG CV captured east of Vélu at 10:40/11:40 - Capt McCudden, No 56 Squadron, attacked an L.V.G. at 100 yards' range. He fired a long burst from both guns, after which the E.A. went down vertically, then fell on to its back, and the E.A. gunner fell out. The machine finally crashed in our lines; Vfw Erich Szafranek (Kia) & Ltn Werner von Kuczkowski (Kia), BG 7/Bs 22 [G130]

Capt McCudden was up alone on a ‘weather test’ and engaged the BG7/Bs22 machine at 11,000ft. Accorded G 130 it proved to be LVG CV 9775/17.

Flt Cdr R J O Compston, 8N Sqn, two-seater crashed Douai - Ostricourt at 11:30/12:30
Flt Cdr R J O Compston, Flt Sub-Lt R L Johns, Flt Sub-Lt W F Crundall and Flt Sub-Lt H Day, 8N Sqn, Albatros Scout out of control Carvin at 12:15/13:15

Flight, Commander Compston, Naval Squadron No 8, attacked an Albatross Scout at point-blank range and shot it down completely out of control. He then attacked a two-seater and fired about 60 rounds very close range. The E.A. went down in a side-slipping dive absolutely out of control and was seen to crash

4 Strong 8 Naval OP out 1050 to 1240. One of the 2-seaters very likely FAA 235 Ltn Seifert (obs) wia in an air fight 6 ARMEE.

Flt Cdr M J G Day, 13N Sqn, Rumpler C broke up Oostkerke at 12:45/13:45

Believe this EA came down in Allied/Belgian lines and looks to have been FAA 231 Ltn H Koener kia & Ltn HG Molle kia – reported as missing. There may also be Belgian involvement.

Lt G E H McElroy, 40 Sqn, two-seater out of control south-east of Habourdin at 13:30/14:30 - Lieut McElroy, No 40 Squadron, shot down one E.A. out of control

McElroy left his OP to dive & zoom on 5 EA at 14,000ft firing 200rds from 150 down to 75yds before zooming. His EA, identified as a 2-seater, was last seen at 2,000ft still going down.

2nd Lt D H Jones, 41 Sqn, Albatros Scout out of control Auberchicourt at 14:30/15:30 - 2nd-Lieut Jones, No 41 Squadron, dived on one E.A. and fired a short burst from about 100 yards' range; he then zoomed up and got on to the E.A.'s tail, and when at about 20 yards got off a burst of 50 rounds, whereupon the E.A. side-slipped for a considerable distance and spun down. When last seen it was still spinning about 1,000 feet below

Capt R W Chappell, 41 Sqn, Albatros Scout crashed Erchin at 14:30/15:30 and Albatros Scout out of control Erchin at 14:30/15:30 - Capt Chappell, No 41 Squadron, fired about 60 rounds at very close range an Albatross Scout. The E.A. stalled, side-slipped and spun to earth, and finally crashed. Capt Chappell was immediately attacked by six E.A. Scouts. He put his machine into spin, and on coming out, observed one E.A. in front, of him and five still above. He attacked the single E.A., which did a long side-slip, and was last seen about 2,000 feet from the ground, still spinning and completely out of control

Maj F J Powell MC (Pow), 41 Sqn, SE5a B8273 – took off 13:30/14:30 and last seen over Auberchicourt at 14:45/15:45 engaged in combat with 2 or 3 EA about 6,000 feet on DOP; Ltn d R Max Kühn, Js10, 3rd victory [Bouchain at 14:40/15:40]

Maj Powell accompanied a 5 strong DOP led by Capt Chappell. This OP dived on 6 Albatros scouts over Auberchicourt at 14,000ft resulting in two claims; the crashed by Chappell & the OOC by Jones. They were however attacked by 6-7 more EA scouts (Js 10). Chappell being, as noted, driven down to 2,000ft before sending his second down apparently OOC. Maj Powell’s RPS confirms the loss report, in that he was set upon by 3 EA, arm and his engine hit causing him to FTL on the enemies aerodrome (Lieu St Amand?). No doubt a roll of the dice saw Js 10’s Ltn Kuhn being accorded full credit for the ‘SE5’ listed as ftl Bouchain diesseits. For the record this fighting was over 20km German side.

2nd Lt G S Stewart & Lt D D Richardson, 49 Sqn, Fokker DrI out of control east of Cambrai at 14:55/15:55 -

Capt V A H Robeson and 2nd Lt J W Muir, 46 Sqn, Fokker DrI out of control Flesquières at 16:00/17:00

2nd Lt G S Stewart & Lt D D Richardson, 49 Sqn, Fokker DrI out of control

These engagements must reflect combats with Js 11. JG 1 certainly had a fairly busy day recording 85 war flights.

As to the Steinhauser 'RE' claim, this was jenseits, so I would not hold my breath looking for a matching loss.

Also noted in Tony’s JWC offering is Js 26 pilot Ostv Esswein who received credit for what would be JG III’s first victory – he actually claimed an ‘Einsfitzer’ which was given as jenseits. Whilst undoubtedly made in good faith, as with the Sreinhauser claim, there was no loss.

It is also worth noting that Gothas (presumably BG 3) made four raids targeting Bailluel aerodrome – two by day & two by night – each time driven off by AA fire and scoring no hits on the aerodrome.

Russ

centurion
15 May 2018, 05:04 AM
2nd-Lieut G Russell (Inj), 54 Sqn, Camel B5436 – wrecked, 2RP, SOC 7.02.1918 [www.airhistory.org.uk]

Marco

centurion
15 May 2018, 05:06 AM
Believe this EA came down in Allied/Belgian lines and looks to have been FAA 231 Ltn H Koener kia & Ltn HG Molle kia – reported as missing. There may also be Belgian involvement.

Russ

Hi Russ,
no Belgian claims on this date

Marco

centurion
15 May 2018, 05:09 AM
Suspect both are interrelated. No doubt Lt Cuthbertson accounted for Js 24’s Ltn von der Tann. The Js 24 KTB would have it that a 4 strong Kette led by Ltn Kroll dived on 7-8 Sopwiths (35 Sqn & 54 Sqn [fighting 5 Triplanes]?). Ltn von der Tann was on the tail of a Camel (2Lt G Russell?) when attacked and shot down by a second Camel (Cuthbertson). As noted by Graeme, the engine of 2Lt Russell’s B3456 hit in the combat and he was injured trying to affect an FTL British side at Vermand. Intriguing is the note of two Triplanes seen FTL. These would have to be Js 11 and one might wonder if this relates to incident involving Ltn J Wolff who FTL near Villers Outreaux when the top wing of DR1 155/17 collapsed. This is dated to 3 Feb, but records of both sides occasionally misdate things by 24hrs.

Russ

Hi Russ,
apparently, Wolff’s loss was not combat related. According to “Red Baron Combat Wing” “Wolff was flying north to Avesnes-le-Sec when the leading edge and ribs of the top wing of his Fokker Triplane collapsed. He made a successful emergency landing at Villers-Outreaux, but the wing failure in a new aircraft raised fresh doubts about the Fokker Triplanes…”

Marco

R Gannon
15 May 2018, 04:07 PM
Hi Russ,
apparently, Wolff’s loss was not combat related. According to “Red Baron Combat Wing” “Wolff was flying north to Avesnes-le-Sec when the leading edge and ribs of the top wing of his Fokker Triplane collapsed. He made a successful emergency landing at Villers-Outreaux, but the wing failure in a new aircraft raised fresh doubts about the Fokker Triplanes…”

Marco

Hi Marco

Not intimating combat, merely tying them in with the Communiques report. But understand I have a copy of the original JG I KTB compiled by Bodenschatz for his book JIFH (copy in AWM library) - which is the source for your source. I know exactly what it says (even if my German is not too good)
and the details are very sparse. I see nothing about flying north of Avnes le Sec in the report, indeed it beggars why he would subsequently stray so far from the Js 11 aerodrome to land at Villers Outreax??????? But of course a little poetic licence often gets into later telling's.;) Again just because something gets into print it does not mean it is gospel, it only reflects the wisdom of the author at the time.

Russ