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Graham Broad
22 February 2018, 12:56 PM
All,

An entry from a diary I'm editing for publication. As I mentioned on another thread, Leslie Miller was in the signals in the 5th Battalion CEF and his very literate and detailed diary is forthcoming for publication. Anyway, Miller often noted air activity when it occurred nearby. He was on the Ypres salient when he wrote the following entry:


"Much aeroplane activity overhead all day long. Germans had three sausage balloons up about the salient by 4:30 am. About 9 am one of our battle planes chased a German plane southward over Dickebusch, the British being much above the Hun.
Suddenly ours swooped directly down upon the enemy as if to attack him, but passed him, and in a steep narrow spiral dropped down and down until he disappeared head downward behind the trees to the left of Dickebusch. I hear that when he swooped to attack his enemy, something went wrong which made it necessary to land at once. This was carried out successfully though the pilot was unconscious and lost two fingers in the engine trouble. We could not be sure whether the unfortunate plane was ours or German, whether he was hit by shell splinters or machine gun fire, and whether he could land safely when coming down so suddenly. It was an astonishing spectacle to see a large plane dive from a height of fully a mile right to the ground in a few seconds.
I learn that a British plane was brought down by German shell fire and wrecked today behind our lines near Zillebeke. A German plane was also brought down behind our lines on the south side of the salient."

The British plane brought down by shell fire was probably a DH-2 flown by E.W. Barrett of 29 Squadron (KIA) according to The Sky Their Battlefield 2. Having trouble, though, with Miller's somewhat confused account of a British (?) machine crashing around 9 AM also the German machine brought down behind British lines.

As always, your expertise is appreciated and will be acknowledged in the work when published!

Best,

GB

Volker_Nemsch
22 February 2018, 10:32 PM
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"A German plane was also brought down behind our lines on the south side of the salient."

If this is correct, there must have been a German loss (the aircraft, as well as the crew). In mid-1916 the area arround the Ypres salient certainly was not a good place for an attempt to "sneak back to the own side" so the German crew was most probably taken prisoner if they were lucky to survive the involuntary landing.

The book "Casualties of the German Air Service" lists no casualties or non-KIA losses on the German side on 29.05.1916 but we have to keep in mind that the latter list is not complete.

Also a quick check of the chonological events of "Sharks among Minnows" brought no results for 29.05.1916. The problem in this case is, that only fighter units are mentioned and in those days the number of fighter aircraft accounted for less than 20 per-cent of the "Frontbestand-strenght". But a reasonable guess is, that the shot down aircraft was not a fighter - otherwise Norman Franks surely would have mentioned it.

As already said, my sources are limited...
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Graeme
22 February 2018, 11:56 PM
From my 100 years ago today threads:

General Headquarters, May 30th.

"Yesterday enemy aircraft were more active than usual. One of our machines was shot down as the result of combat in the air, falling in our own lines. A hostile machine was forced down out of control within its own lines.''

Hostile aircraft:

Capt E W Barrett, 29 Sqn, DH2 5946, EA out of control Ypres Salient at 07:45/08:45

2nd-Lieut A Ball, 11 Sqn, Nieuport 16 5173, LVG C out of control Beaumont at 08:00/09:00

2nd-Lieut A Ball, 11 Sqn, Nieuport 16 5173, LVG C forced to land? Oppy at 08:30/09:30

Casualties:

Capt E W Barrett (Kia), 29 Sqn, DH2 5946 - shot down in air fight with 2 HA on patrol; nose-dived and wrecked near Voormezeele

I looked through the entries for a few days either side of this date and can't find a claim for a German machine captured in the area. Perhaps Miller confused who came down where?

Graeme